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<blockquote data-quote="Krinkle" data-source="post: 1081019" data-attributes="member: 12788">Nope. You're referencing the rule regarding Try Again, not Take 20. This rules states ONE of the circumstances (a circumstance related to the Try Again rule) under which you may not Take 20 (...if failure carries an inherent penalty..., you can’t take 20). The entry in the SRD entitled Checks without Rolls, under the entry Taking 20, describes all of the rules regarding Taking 20, incuding but not limited to the fact you mentioned.You should not presume that since the entry for Try Again includes a negative, the absence of this situation creates a positive. The Taking 20 entry is pretty clear that Taking 20 &quot;assumes that you fail many times before succeeding&quot; It is kind of silly to imagine a person hiding 20 separate times in a row until they got it right. &quot;I go behind the bush.&quot;&quot;I come out from behind the bush.&quot;&quot;I go behind the bush again.&quot;&quot;I come out from behind the bush again.&quot;&quot;Did I get it right yet?&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Krinkle, post: 1081019, member: 12788"] Nope. You're referencing the rule regarding Try Again, not Take 20. This rules states ONE of the circumstances (a circumstance related to the Try Again rule) under which you may not Take 20 (...if failure carries an inherent penalty..., you can’t take 20). The entry in the SRD entitled Checks without Rolls, under the entry Taking 20, describes all of the rules regarding Taking 20, incuding but not limited to the fact you mentioned. You should not presume that since the entry for Try Again includes a negative, the absence of this situation creates a positive. The Taking 20 entry is pretty clear that Taking 20 "assumes that you fail many times before succeeding" It is kind of silly to imagine a person hiding 20 separate times in a row until they got it right. "I go behind the bush." "I come out from behind the bush." "I go behind the bush again." "I come out from behind the bush again." "Did I get it right yet?" [/QUOTE]

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