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<blockquote data-quote="BENINHB" data-source="post: 5405458" data-attributes="member: 86022"><p>I'll agree with streamofthesky, if you already have 2 levels of swashbuckler you'll for sure want to take a 3rd and get Int to Damage.</p><p></p><p>There are two ways i would go about this.</p><p></p><p>1) Take Swashbuckler 3 and TWF, then 2 levels of Rogue and then PrC into Assassin for 1 lvl, then take the feat Daring Outlaw with your level 6 feat and then go back into Swashbuckler. Your swash levels will give you a good Base Attack Bonus and Daring Outlaw lets your Swash levels count as Rogue levels for determining Sneak Attack dice, also Swash levels come with that d10 hit die which is a big help if your going for a front liner. The level in Assassin will give you a death attack which is meh but at least its INT based and an extra d6 of sneak attack, but the great part is it will give you the ability to use wands and scrolls of assassin spells with no UMD check!! I would try to set up flanks with the Barb using Tumble and then go to town with TWF. You'll hit more often than a straight rogue would since your BaB is highter AND you also get INT to damage with each hit and you don't lose out on any sneak attack dice.</p><p></p><p>Route 2) I would take Swash 3 then 3 levels of Wizard then Prc into Spellsword then Abjurant Champion. This option is all about using spells to buff up. It's going to be more powerful than the other build but it is going to be more work to play since casters come with book keeping and you are going to be limited by spells per day especially at lower levels. Also if your going to be a front liner this build is going to be a little fragile in its middle stages til you hit those PrC. Spells can make up for a LOT of weaknesses though and you will have lots of options on how to deal with problems.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Either way you'll want to focus on DEX, CON, and INT</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BENINHB, post: 5405458, member: 86022"] I'll agree with streamofthesky, if you already have 2 levels of swashbuckler you'll for sure want to take a 3rd and get Int to Damage. There are two ways i would go about this. 1) Take Swashbuckler 3 and TWF, then 2 levels of Rogue and then PrC into Assassin for 1 lvl, then take the feat Daring Outlaw with your level 6 feat and then go back into Swashbuckler. Your swash levels will give you a good Base Attack Bonus and Daring Outlaw lets your Swash levels count as Rogue levels for determining Sneak Attack dice, also Swash levels come with that d10 hit die which is a big help if your going for a front liner. The level in Assassin will give you a death attack which is meh but at least its INT based and an extra d6 of sneak attack, but the great part is it will give you the ability to use wands and scrolls of assassin spells with no UMD check!! I would try to set up flanks with the Barb using Tumble and then go to town with TWF. You'll hit more often than a straight rogue would since your BaB is highter AND you also get INT to damage with each hit and you don't lose out on any sneak attack dice. Route 2) I would take Swash 3 then 3 levels of Wizard then Prc into Spellsword then Abjurant Champion. This option is all about using spells to buff up. It's going to be more powerful than the other build but it is going to be more work to play since casters come with book keeping and you are going to be limited by spells per day especially at lower levels. Also if your going to be a front liner this build is going to be a little fragile in its middle stages til you hit those PrC. Spells can make up for a LOT of weaknesses though and you will have lots of options on how to deal with problems. Either way you'll want to focus on DEX, CON, and INT [/QUOTE]
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