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<blockquote data-quote="Artoomis" data-source="post: 1207367" data-attributes="member: 111">???&nbsp; What are you talking about&nbsp; ???If you are referring to how long 3.5e has been out, that's completely irrelevent to the point I was making - I was comparing a charging paladin to other melee characters to show how they did not overshadow them.&nbsp; I've had this character for years, and the 3.0e rules set serves just fine to make that comparison, showing how &quot;Charge&quot; does not need to be totally &quot;nerfed&quot; to somehow fix a non-existent problem with game balance.So, what WERE the problems with Charge?1.&nbsp; Using a &quot;Readied Action&quot; to gain a Charge with a turn in it.&nbsp; Not the end of the world, but a rule abuse, certainly.2.&nbsp; Too many &quot;Charge&quot; multipliers, especially with Rhino Hide armor included.&nbsp; This was fixed with changing Rhino Hide to 2d6 when charging instead of a multiplier.&nbsp; It is not not possible to get 4X damage on a charge (with core rules at least), no matter what feats you take, spells you use, or items you have.&nbsp; 3X damage is possible, but at the levels at which this starts to become common, the straight, non-mounted fighter or barabrian is doing more damage in a round anyway.3.&nbsp; Sometimes it was a bit too easy to set up a charge (at least some thought so).&nbsp; This was fixed by adding in restricted terrain rules and disallowing charging through allies (though this last move was wrong-headed, as explained in my first post).&nbsp; My experience in play showed that this was not really a significant problem - I usually had to spend one round just setting up the charge, and Ride-By Attack often left me in a poor position for a second attack, requiring ANOTHER round to set up the next charge.If my kind readers know of anything else that was &quot;wrong&quot; with charge in 3.0e, please let me know so I can be sure to address it in my note to customer service.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Artoomis, post: 1207367, member: 111"] ??? What are you talking about ??? If you are referring to how long 3.5e has been out, that's completely irrelevent to the point I was making - I was comparing a charging paladin to other melee characters to show how they did not overshadow them. I've had this character for years, and the 3.0e rules set serves just fine to make that comparison, showing how "Charge" does not need to be totally "nerfed" to somehow fix a non-existent problem with game balance. So, what WERE the problems with Charge? 1. Using a "Readied Action" to gain a Charge with a turn in it. Not the end of the world, but a rule abuse, certainly. 2. Too many "Charge" multipliers, especially with Rhino Hide armor included. This was fixed with changing Rhino Hide to 2d6 when charging instead of a multiplier. It is not not possible to get 4X damage on a charge (with core rules at least), no matter what feats you take, spells you use, or items you have. 3X damage is possible, but at the levels at which this starts to become common, the straight, non-mounted fighter or barabrian is doing more damage in a round anyway. 3. Sometimes it was a bit too easy to set up a charge (at least some thought so). This was fixed by adding in restricted terrain rules and disallowing charging through allies (though this last move was wrong-headed, as explained in my first post). My experience in play showed that this was not really a significant problem - I usually had to spend one round just setting up the charge, and Ride-By Attack often left me in a poor position for a second attack, requiring ANOTHER round to set up the next charge. [b]If my kind readers know of anything else that was "wrong" with charge in 3.0e, please let me know so I can be sure to address it in my note to customer service.[/b] [/QUOTE]

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