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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Genesist" data-source="post: 5620029" data-attributes="member: 6668459">Hello everyone. My DM is going to be starting up a campaign using only the core 3 books. We are not allowed to use monster races, so for all real purposes I am limited to the Player's Handbook 1 (no, 2 is not allowed), and Dungeon Master's guide. I have done some research and have come up with two builds, I would interested in which people suggest, or any other directions they can point me in. I am used to having much more options, so thought this resulting decrease in potential power level would give me a chance to try a spiked chain build, something I'd always been interested in. The goal of this build is not damage, it is tripping things to protect my team. I avoid improved disarm at low levels because I fear a monster oriented campaign in which it is useless.I am aware of the horizon tripper and love it, but it comes online too late.Information I have: We will be starting at level 7, we will be fighting fewer numbers of stronger monsters.I realize that dwarven defender can just be walked around, but thought that the chain was partially remedy this problem. All the fighter for feats. I can't go barb, because dd is lawful. So ranged seemed best for lvl 7. Dwarf, duh1. Fighter - endurance, chain prof 2. Fighter - combat expertise3. Fighter - improved trip4. Fighter - combat reflexes5. Fighter6. Fighter - toughness, dodge7. Ranger 8. Dwarven defender - AC defensive stance, 9. Dwarven defender - improved disarm, uncanny dodge10. Dwarven defender Pros: More HP.Cons: Possibly not enough str to trip the monsters consistently, bad feats.My second build is all about raising potential strength to increase trip chance. As a result I go into barbarian, and dragon disciple despite its BAB.Orc? (for the extra 2 strength)1. Barb - Rage spiked chain prof, speed +102. Barb, uncanny dodge3. Fighter -combat reflexes, combat expertise4. Barb5. Sorcerer - spells6. Dragon disciple - armor, improved trip7. Dragon Disciple - 2 str, 8. Dragon disciple9. dragon disciple - armor, 2 str improved disarm?10. Barb - RagePros: Higher str, higher speed, limited spell castingCon: Lower BAB, lower HPI add the fighter level so that I can get needed feats. Would it be better to take barb after 2 or 4 lvls of dd?The DD, orc, and rage str gives an extra +10, which for a trip attempt is huge. let us assume 16 str, +10 from above, +4 for improved trip. This is a +12 to the opposed strength check to trip. So thoughts everyone?</blockquote>

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