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<blockquote data-quote="Belzbet" data-source="post: 5620058" data-attributes="member: 6678902">Is it considered core to take classes (ones with no LA) out of the moster manual and use them? Such as the Orc (full blooded). They have&nbsp; +4 str. -2wis, cha, and Int , darkvision.&nbsp; no LA....&nbsp; If you wanted high str. this may be the way to go... the -2 to wis is sorta&nbsp; sucky but +4 to str. is mighty handy... If you took the Orc as a race then that -2 to cha. would deter you from taking levels of sorcerer...Is blackguard an option? If you want to be a tank like character that can attempt to trip multiple times in a round go with full BA.&nbsp; The more BA someone has the more attacks it gets which means more trip attempts. The sorc dip and the dragon disciple dip would stall you two levels waiting for your iterative attacks (at level 7 you wouldnt even have +6/+1 you wiuld have +5 BA, you would have to wait till level 8).&nbsp; The dip in ranger is smart&nbsp; (you get +2 fort andf Ref!) since fighter wont give you much more if you plan on going into DD at lv8. Also you should get weapon focus (chain) that increases your trip potential (since you must make a touch attack when tripping; although combat reflexes will increase your tripping, but does your Dm let your PCs get plenty of AOO's from humanoids (smarter creatures)? if not then consider getting this later if at all, that is because it is usually harder to trip big dumb creatures that let you AOO them).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Belzbet, post: 5620058, member: 6678902"] Is it considered core to take classes (ones with no LA) out of the moster manual and use them? Such as the Orc (full blooded). They have +4 str. -2wis, cha, and Int , darkvision. no LA.... If you wanted high str. this may be the way to go... the -2 to wis is sorta sucky but +4 to str. is mighty handy... If you took the Orc as a race then that -2 to cha. would deter you from taking levels of sorcerer...Is blackguard an option? If you want to be a tank like character that can attempt to trip multiple times in a round go with full BA. The more BA someone has the more attacks it gets which means more trip attempts. The sorc dip and the dragon disciple dip would stall you two levels waiting for your iterative attacks (at level 7 you wouldnt even have +6/+1 you wiuld have +5 BA, you would have to wait till level 8). The dip in ranger is smart (you get +2 fort andf Ref!) since fighter wont give you much more if you plan on going into DD at lv8. Also you should get weapon focus (chain) that increases your trip potential (since you must make a touch attack when tripping; although combat reflexes will increase your tripping, but does your Dm let your PCs get plenty of AOO's from humanoids (smarter creatures)? if not then consider getting this later if at all, that is because it is usually harder to trip big dumb creatures that let you AOO them). [/QUOTE]

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