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[3.5] Crit stacking?
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<blockquote data-quote="Anubis" data-source="post: 1001418" data-attributes="member: 2358"><p>I DID suggest having Keen simply give the wielder Improved Critical with that weapon. Sounds like the most feasible idea to me.</p><p></p><p>As for hundreds of damage, I meant exactly what I said. This problem shows up at the early epic levels primarily, although it starts creeping in around Level 15. Imagine this:</p><p></p><p>Level 25: Ranger 5/Weapon Master 10/Tempest 10</p><p>Weapons: 2 Keen Shocking Burst Bladed Gauntlets +5</p><p></p><p>Now assuming the character in question has, say, a modified Strength of 30 (which is not at all out of the realm of possibility given a +5 inherent bonus and +6 enhancement bonus) along with Weapon Focus, Power Attack and all class abilities of course, the attacks and damage would look something like so (IF you use the totally nerfed errata version of the bladed gauntlet which does not even equal a martial weapon and not the more accurate 18-20 threat range that is due to it as an exotic weapon):</p><p></p><p>Atk +40/+40/+35/+35/+30/+30/+25/+25 melee (1d6+15/+10/13-20/x2 crit, bladed gauntlet)</p><p></p><p>Now take into account that this guy can probably hit with all eight attacks against anything he's supposed to go against since his worst attack is +25. His chances of getting crits are 61.75% per hit. At eight hits this means 494% chance of critical hits! Rounding up, this means five of the eight are LIKELY to be critical hits. Without any, he'll dish out 128 damage easy. WITH critical hits, however, that damage jumps up to 210 at least! Add in his weapon master abilities and/or Power Attack against a creature with a lesser AC, and this damage goes up even further. THIS is JUST at Level 25. Add ten more levels and this guy will on average do eight times as much damage as the average fighter of the SAME LEVEL, and with Overwhelming Critical and Devastating Critical, will be instant-killing damn near everything thanks to the enhanced threat range. Go with the more proper exotic weapon threat range of 18-20 from the start and it's even worse (seeing as this guy could do this with worse weapons than the bladed gauntlet otherwise, such as longsword/short sword, longsword/rapier, or bastard sword/rapier).</p><p></p><p>THAT is why the stacking threat ranges to be be cut out completely.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Anubis, post: 1001418, member: 2358"] I DID suggest having Keen simply give the wielder Improved Critical with that weapon. Sounds like the most feasible idea to me. As for hundreds of damage, I meant exactly what I said. This problem shows up at the early epic levels primarily, although it starts creeping in around Level 15. Imagine this: Level 25: Ranger 5/Weapon Master 10/Tempest 10 Weapons: 2 Keen Shocking Burst Bladed Gauntlets +5 Now assuming the character in question has, say, a modified Strength of 30 (which is not at all out of the realm of possibility given a +5 inherent bonus and +6 enhancement bonus) along with Weapon Focus, Power Attack and all class abilities of course, the attacks and damage would look something like so (IF you use the totally nerfed errata version of the bladed gauntlet which does not even equal a martial weapon and not the more accurate 18-20 threat range that is due to it as an exotic weapon): Atk +40/+40/+35/+35/+30/+30/+25/+25 melee (1d6+15/+10/13-20/x2 crit, bladed gauntlet) Now take into account that this guy can probably hit with all eight attacks against anything he's supposed to go against since his worst attack is +25. His chances of getting crits are 61.75% per hit. At eight hits this means 494% chance of critical hits! Rounding up, this means five of the eight are LIKELY to be critical hits. Without any, he'll dish out 128 damage easy. WITH critical hits, however, that damage jumps up to 210 at least! Add in his weapon master abilities and/or Power Attack against a creature with a lesser AC, and this damage goes up even further. THIS is JUST at Level 25. Add ten more levels and this guy will on average do eight times as much damage as the average fighter of the SAME LEVEL, and with Overwhelming Critical and Devastating Critical, will be instant-killing damn near everything thanks to the enhanced threat range. Go with the more proper exotic weapon threat range of 18-20 from the start and it's even worse (seeing as this guy could do this with worse weapons than the bladed gauntlet otherwise, such as longsword/short sword, longsword/rapier, or bastard sword/rapier). THAT is why the stacking threat ranges to be be cut out completely. [/QUOTE]
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