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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Technik4" data-source="post: 1007994" data-attributes="member: 7211">No, I never said keen is the ultra-uber attribute. In my mind, it is not the ultra-uber attribute.Check master of the wild for a feat which grants elemental resistance 5 if you have fort 8+.I agree, there are more types of energies which can make it difficult to have the right one for the right encounter. On the whole, in most campaigns, yes it is better off having Crit Immunity than one specific Elemental Immunity, but I maintain that the elemental ones come easier through prcs and whatnot.I also had forgotten that multiple hits from an elemental weapon all stack for elemental damages. However in the core books 3.0 there were only 3 elements you could place on a weapon ice shock and fire. Those are quite common in the MM (esp fire), as are Rings of Fire Resistance, etc.Except, as we just talked about, the rogue whose best proficiency is actually with the rapier. Oh, but who would want to make a "precise hit" rogue? Nevermind.You seem to be more interested in bandying about random statements than truly discussing things. I recognize that the weapons have been balanced so that for the most part they all gain the same benefit from keen. However if you had looked at the math in this thread you would see that high crit ranges and high crit multipliers overtake weapons like the longsword once your damage potential is high enough.A core finesse fighter who is going the route of the duelist will almost always take the rapier, and in 3.0, always take keen and Imp Crit.A rogue who is combat-focused (but not a 2wf) will almost always end up taking the rapier, and in 3.0 Keen and Imp Crit.As Mike said, there is more than one way to keen a blade.I dont even know what is being argued anymore. I expressed most of my views at least a page ago, at this point its time to accept that the game has changed. Im not bitter, but it sounds like you better start spending some charges of your Rule 0 Wand.Technik</blockquote>

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