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[3.5] CRs still out of whack?
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<blockquote data-quote="LokiDR" data-source="post: 1050018" data-attributes="member: 6239"><p>Then what is the point of CR? I see "this is really CR 2.5 and this is really CR 3.5" but the elemental was beating them as if it had levels on them, not the other way around. If a CR 5 is acting like a CR 7, it should at least be listed higher than 5. I am still not convinced the party composition was the majority of the problem.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The don't have a pure arcane spellcaster or cleric because I didn't allow them to have one. I expect this to be a problem for multilple combats or situation where magic is really neccessary (like huge numbers of weak oppents or specifically magical opponents) but this did not fall into either category. The elemental is essentially a brute. I expect brute monsters to match up to brut-ish PCs. Is this an invalid assumption?</p><p></p><p>The fighter is the best melee machine in the party (single hit damage, AC) but his HP are on the low side. Full plate, sword and board with bastard sword should be pretty effective.</p><p></p><p>If all CRs are formed with the assumption you are powergaming to some extent, then all CRs should be a problem. But the drider, digester, and medusa weren't nearly as much a problem for their respective CRs. That is why I bring up the water elemental.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="LokiDR, post: 1050018, member: 6239"] Then what is the point of CR? I see "this is really CR 2.5 and this is really CR 3.5" but the elemental was beating them as if it had levels on them, not the other way around. If a CR 5 is acting like a CR 7, it should at least be listed higher than 5. I am still not convinced the party composition was the majority of the problem. The don't have a pure arcane spellcaster or cleric because I didn't allow them to have one. I expect this to be a problem for multilple combats or situation where magic is really neccessary (like huge numbers of weak oppents or specifically magical opponents) but this did not fall into either category. The elemental is essentially a brute. I expect brute monsters to match up to brut-ish PCs. Is this an invalid assumption? The fighter is the best melee machine in the party (single hit damage, AC) but his HP are on the low side. Full plate, sword and board with bastard sword should be pretty effective. If all CRs are formed with the assumption you are powergaming to some extent, then all CRs should be a problem. But the drider, digester, and medusa weren't nearly as much a problem for their respective CRs. That is why I bring up the water elemental. [/QUOTE]
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