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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Maiden Paladin" data-source="post: 7472991" data-attributes="member: 6905526">You make some intriguing points.It seems to me that the writers added diversity to item descriptions that were not so interchangeable as they may have thought. While both the Cloak of Charisma and the Cloak of Resistance are clearly garments, the former need only be "in a character's possession" while the latter simply "offers" its magical bonuses without any specific requirement to obtain them. In both cases, I am going to assume oversights on the parts of the writers, and use my Dungeon Mistress powers to house-rule that both must be worn to be benefited from if necessary.Now the fun part: I don't thing the Entangled condition will suffice to simulate the sort of restraint I seek to inflict, so I shall go with check DCs in the Epic range appropriate for a Cloak of Charisma +10, assuming failure to indicate no use of the arms whatsoever (I recall some monsters of yore being able to snatch characters and potentially pin one or both arms, but I agree that this isn't really a Grapple per se). It's tricky to determine, but the Devastation Spider's CR of 41 means that it offers over half the normal GP value of a normal Cloak of Epic Charisma +10 in average treasure/EL, and to free oneself from its web requires an Escape Artist DC 38 (about that for a properly-tied backhand Guanyin/reverse-prayer tie) or a Strength Check DC 44 (a task worthy of He-Man). In fact, I think I'm going to rule that this particular Cloak of Epic Charisma +10 was woven from Devastation Spider silk to help explain its...unusual properties. Thank you for the fun ideas!</blockquote>

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