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<blockquote data-quote="The Little Raven" data-source="post: 5685854" data-attributes="member: 10095">The comment about subraces was true at the beginning, but ceased to be true at least a while ago. 4e does subraces in three ways: Branching racial stats, feats, or racial feature swaps.Shifters use the first method. When you make a Shifter, you choose Longtooth or Razorclaw. They are equally balanced, just different. This is the only race that does it this way, though.Dusk Elves use the second option, with a feat that makes an Elf into a Dusk Elf, and additional Dusk Elf-only game elements. These add additional features, since you are paying character creation/maintenance costs for them. These are found in Dragon/player side of D&amp;D Insider, as well as the Character Builder and Compendium. And I guess I should give an honorable mention to FR racial feats, such as Wild Elf Luck (must be elf; adds +1d4 to elven accuracy reroll; cannot take Wood Elf Agility), which also made you a subrace, sorta.Gold Dwarves use the third option. In the Neverwinter Campaign Guide, you can choose to be a Gold Dwarf, which gives you options such as swapping Iron Stomach (+5 save vs poison) for Iron Mind (+5 save vs Fear). These are roughly equivalent in power to the features you are choosing to forgo.And with themes, you could create a 4th option.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="The Little Raven, post: 5685854, member: 10095"] The comment about subraces was true at the beginning, but ceased to be true at least a while ago. 4e does subraces in three ways: Branching racial stats, feats, or racial feature swaps. Shifters use the first method. When you make a Shifter, you choose Longtooth or Razorclaw. They are equally balanced, just different. This is the only race that does it this way, though. Dusk Elves use the second option, with a feat that makes an Elf into a Dusk Elf, and additional Dusk Elf-only game elements. These add additional features, since you are paying character creation/maintenance costs for them. These are found in Dragon/player side of D&D Insider, as well as the Character Builder and Compendium. And I guess I should give an honorable mention to FR racial feats, such as Wild Elf Luck (must be elf; adds +1d4 to elven accuracy reroll; cannot take Wood Elf Agility), which also made you a subrace, sorta. Gold Dwarves use the third option. In the Neverwinter Campaign Guide, you can choose to be a Gold Dwarf, which gives you options such as swapping Iron Stomach (+5 save vs poison) for Iron Mind (+5 save vs Fear). These are roughly equivalent in power to the features you are choosing to forgo. And with themes, you could create a 4th option. [/QUOTE]

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