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<blockquote data-quote="JiffyPopTart" data-source="post: 5691769" data-attributes="member: 4881">A few other differences that I didn't notice when reading the thread...1. 4e eliminates the &quot;Kill and loot&quot; loop.&nbsp; Bad guys power are never based on the magic items they wield.&nbsp; In order to make an orc more challenging you don't have to give him magical equipment or spells.&nbsp; Instead there are multiple orcs listed in the Monster Manuals and you can choose those that fit the encounter you are building.&nbsp; Those orcs are assigned powers to reflect the special things they do, not items the party can loot themselves.2. 4e also eliminates the process of adding player character class levels to monsters in order to make an orc wizard or bullywug rogue.&nbsp; Instead the different &quot;jobs&quot; of monsters are all preconfigured in the monster stat blocks.3. Player characters can fairly easily go from dying to perfectly healthy in one or two rounds without using consumable magical items.&nbsp; They also have many more powers and abilities that interrupt the monsters turns than in 3e.4. In 3e it was a pain in the butt keeping track of all the ongoing spells and spelllike abilities that were in place.&nbsp; In 4e there are a lot less of these ongoing effects that last a whole encounter however there are WAY MORE that just last a turn.&nbsp; Expect many turns (even low level) in 4e to go as below...GM:&nbsp; Ok, this orc is going to attack your rogue.Fighter:&nbsp; I have him marked, so he has to attack me or take a -2 and I get a free swing.GM:&nbsp; Oh, well then he attacks you instead. *rolls low*&nbsp; He missed you horribly.Bard:&nbsp; He fell over, too.GM: What?Bard: I shot him with my jinx shot last round so that if he missed his first attack he fell prone.GM: OK then.&nbsp; *places figure on its side*&nbsp; Rogue, its your turn.DS</blockquote>

[QUOTE="JiffyPopTart, post: 5691769, member: 4881"] A few other differences that I didn't notice when reading the thread... 1. 4e eliminates the "Kill and loot" loop. Bad guys power are never based on the magic items they wield. In order to make an orc more challenging you don't have to give him magical equipment or spells. Instead there are multiple orcs listed in the Monster Manuals and you can choose those that fit the encounter you are building. Those orcs are assigned powers to reflect the special things they do, not items the party can loot themselves. 2. 4e also eliminates the process of adding player character class levels to monsters in order to make an orc wizard or bullywug rogue. Instead the different "jobs" of monsters are all preconfigured in the monster stat blocks. 3. Player characters can fairly easily go from dying to perfectly healthy in one or two rounds without using consumable magical items. They also have many more powers and abilities that interrupt the monsters turns than in 3e. 4. In 3e it was a pain in the butt keeping track of all the ongoing spells and spelllike abilities that were in place. In 4e there are a lot less of these ongoing effects that last a whole encounter however there are WAY MORE that just last a turn. Expect many turns (even low level) in 4e to go as below... GM: Ok, this orc is going to attack your rogue. Fighter: I have him marked, so he has to attack me or take a -2 and I get a free swing. GM: Oh, well then he attacks you instead. *rolls low* He missed you horribly. Bard: He fell over, too. GM: What? Bard: I shot him with my jinx shot last round so that if he missed his first attack he fell prone. GM: OK then. *places figure on its side* Rogue, its your turn. DS [/QUOTE]

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