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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5693062" data-attributes="member: 82106">Hmmmm, well, yeah, I'm sure if you are facing a single fight that isn't super hard and it is the only one in a day of adventuring then you're correct. OTOH in the same situation (lets say a 1e party that runs into a bulette when they're around the same level) they'll unless one or more spells and perhaps some melee type attacks, there's no need to hold back. Someone might get bitten, nobody is at all likely to actually die, and at the end the cleric fires off a couple CLW/CSW and the party trudges back to the inn, where if they took enough damage they might spend an extra day going through another round of spells before they're ready to go again. In 4e they'll be good to go the next day for sure, not really much difference.Of course if the 4e encounter happened to be level+4 then things might not be quite so clear cut... Someone can easily die, though it isn't THAT likely. Pretty much like the 1e fight.I just don't see this vast difference. It is in the nature of the basic D&D genre that PCs can get back up, dust themselves off, and maybe after a night's sleep get back to it. Has always been so. It just isn't that much fun in heroic fantasy to spend large amounts of time dealing with the dull consequences of a fight (IE healing a couple hit points a day and being out of action for days or weeks or months that it would realistically take to heal from a landshark bite). I know when I first read through 4e healing surges seemed rather foreign and seemed like they would feel hokey but I really haven't found it to be so in play. Obviously the other advise is not to have one encounter in a day. HS loss during a series of encounters is NOT no consequence. You can easily have your party sucked down to TPK with that thought in mind, because when you do run out of surges, things get ugly FAST. Even with THP and some surgeless healing, you just aren't going to shrug that off.</blockquote>

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