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<blockquote data-quote="Alzrius" data-source="post: 5956814" data-attributes="member: 8461">Which is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. The fact that Paizo has a subscription service (in addition to pay-for-downloads and direct mail-orders, two other things WotC never had) doesn't mean much in terms of comparing the complexity of the systems...especially given that ALL of their products can be had through their various subscription lines.Just because you subscribe to the <a href="http://paizo.com/products/btpy88qu?Pathfinder-Roleplaying-Game-Subscription" target="_blank">Pathfinder Roleplaying Game</a> line of products doesn't somehow make them all &quot;Core&quot; anymore than WotC's hardcover books were.I did need to think about how completely crazy that line of logic was. Seriously. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/worried.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":-S" title="Uhm&nbsp; &nbsp; :-S" data-shortname=":-S" />You're saying that something being &quot;compatible&quot; with something else means that it &quot;by definition includes all of the complexities&quot; of it? Did you not read the series of examples I posted where it out-and-out changes several &quot;complexities&quot; for simpler alternatives? Something can be compatible with something else without it having all of the former's subsystems and mechanics.If you want to make a comparison that's even remotely accurate, you need to compare the same things, rather than apples and oranges. If you want to make a comparison about the entire system of Pathfinder with all of its expansion books, then you need to do the same for WotC. If you just want to make a comparison just with WotC's core rulebooks, then you need to do that with Pathfinder also.Think about that. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Alzrius, post: 5956814, member: 8461"] Which is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. The fact that Paizo has a subscription service (in addition to pay-for-downloads and direct mail-orders, two other things WotC never had) doesn't mean much in terms of comparing the complexity of the systems...especially given that ALL of their products can be had through their various subscription lines. Just because you subscribe to the [url=http://paizo.com/products/btpy88qu?Pathfinder-Roleplaying-Game-Subscription]Pathfinder Roleplaying Game[/url] line of products doesn't somehow make them all "Core" anymore than WotC's hardcover books were. I did need to think about how completely crazy that line of logic was. Seriously. :-S You're saying that something being "compatible" with something else means that it "by definition includes all of the complexities" of it? Did you not read the series of examples I posted where it out-and-out changes several "complexities" for simpler alternatives? Something can be compatible with something else without it having all of the former's subsystems and mechanics. If you want to make a comparison that's even remotely accurate, you need to compare the same things, rather than apples and oranges. If you want to make a comparison about the entire system of Pathfinder with all of its expansion books, then you need to do the same for WotC. If you just want to make a comparison just with WotC's core rulebooks, then you need to do that with Pathfinder also. Think about that. :p [/QUOTE]

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