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[3.5] Eldritch knight abilities?
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<blockquote data-quote="LokiDR" data-source="post: 996693" data-attributes="member: 6239"><p>Mike, Mike, Mike. You being every bit as stubborn and pig-headed as I am. What is it? Can't you accept why I don't like EK? Do you think I am insulting you? Is my opinion on a published class really so intolerable?</p><p></p><p>Lets break this down: is EK boring? That is an opinion that can not possibly be wrong. What is the purpose of a PrC? I can only post what I have read of the designers opinions. Could more be added to EK without breaking it? Yes. Given an opinion that PrC are supposed to be interesting and balanced, is EK a good PrC? It lacks anything that isn't somewhere else.</p><p></p><p></p><p>My "thesis" is an opinion which can not possibly be wrong. Your accusation is nothing more than a lack of understanding. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Now why would a character built on martial prowess want to have a high AC? Why would they want a cheaper method to increase AC? This must be the sole reason clerics are broken and should be eliminated.</p><p></p><p>A mage can be more protected than a fighter with all the buff spells they can cast. But that doesn't fit a fighter wizard, where armor does.</p><p></p><p></p><p>You aren't confused, so you figure it out.</p><p></p><p>In case you want an explanation to ignore, what I meant was that PrC increased in importance and coverage from 3.0 to 3.5. Though they are technically optional, they obviously aren't a low priority in the game designers view. People love them, and the designers cater to that.</p><p></p><p>But, if they are optional, why do you care if I bash one of them? If they are optional, the DM can change them however they want, or include only those they like. My distaste for one has no effect on that.</p><p></p><p></p><p>So, no person's collective experience is relevant? I don't care scientifically poll the D&D community to enlighten you. But the fact that more focus is being put on PrC should be evidence enough.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What this is really about is what makes a good PrC and whether EK is even a PrC. I maintain that if it is rule patch masquerading as a PrC, it should look more like other PrC. It should have flavor and balance. If it is just a negative ECL on a fighter/wizard, do that instead. </p><p></p><p>As for you, Mr. Sullivan, I look forward to your continuance of this joke of a debate. It has kept me entertained for hours <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="LokiDR, post: 996693, member: 6239"] Mike, Mike, Mike. You being every bit as stubborn and pig-headed as I am. What is it? Can't you accept why I don't like EK? Do you think I am insulting you? Is my opinion on a published class really so intolerable? Lets break this down: is EK boring? That is an opinion that can not possibly be wrong. What is the purpose of a PrC? I can only post what I have read of the designers opinions. Could more be added to EK without breaking it? Yes. Given an opinion that PrC are supposed to be interesting and balanced, is EK a good PrC? It lacks anything that isn't somewhere else. My "thesis" is an opinion which can not possibly be wrong. Your accusation is nothing more than a lack of understanding. Now why would a character built on martial prowess want to have a high AC? Why would they want a cheaper method to increase AC? This must be the sole reason clerics are broken and should be eliminated. A mage can be more protected than a fighter with all the buff spells they can cast. But that doesn't fit a fighter wizard, where armor does. You aren't confused, so you figure it out. In case you want an explanation to ignore, what I meant was that PrC increased in importance and coverage from 3.0 to 3.5. Though they are technically optional, they obviously aren't a low priority in the game designers view. People love them, and the designers cater to that. But, if they are optional, why do you care if I bash one of them? If they are optional, the DM can change them however they want, or include only those they like. My distaste for one has no effect on that. So, no person's collective experience is relevant? I don't care scientifically poll the D&D community to enlighten you. But the fact that more focus is being put on PrC should be evidence enough. What this is really about is what makes a good PrC and whether EK is even a PrC. I maintain that if it is rule patch masquerading as a PrC, it should look more like other PrC. It should have flavor and balance. If it is just a negative ECL on a fighter/wizard, do that instead. As for you, Mr. Sullivan, I look forward to your continuance of this joke of a debate. It has kept me entertained for hours :) [/QUOTE]
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