Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Next
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
Twitch
YouTube
Facebook (EN Publishing)
Facebook (EN World)
Twitter
Instagram
TikTok
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
The
VOIDRUNNER'S CODEX
is coming! Explore new worlds, fight oppressive empires, fend off fearsome aliens, and wield deadly psionics with this comprehensive boxed set expansion for 5E and A5E!
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
D&D Older Editions
[3.5] Feinting & Uncanny Dodge
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 1020744" data-attributes="member: 1656"><p><strong>Suppose an ally of mine is attacking one foe, then I</strong></p><p><strong>somehow become invisible, draw my sword, and move to</strong></p><p><strong>the other side of that foe, thus flanking the foe. Does my ally</strong></p><p><strong>still get a flanking bonus even if I am invisible?</strong></p><p><em>You get a flanking bonus from any ally your foe can see (and</em></p><p><em>who is in the correct position to flank). If your foe can’t see</em></p><p><em>you, you don’t provide a flanking bonus to any ally.</em></p><p><em>Sharp readers will note that this means you cannot flank a</em></p><p><em>blind creature; however, truly blind creatures are effectively</em></p><p><em>flanked already (the can’t use their Dexterity bonus to AC and</em></p><p><em>you a +2 bonus to attack them). Creatures with the blindsight</em></p><p><em>ability effectively “see” within blindsight range and can be</em></p><p><em>flanked.</em></p><p></p><p>Uncanny Dodge is certainly not equivalent to Blindsight.</p><p></p><p>The Sage's original answer in the Chat transcript agreed with you - if you retained your Dex bonus to AC, you could be flanked (which had its own weirdnesses). The FAQ is different to the Chat transcript response, however, and makes no such provision.</p><p></p><p>When the barbarian closes his eyes, he becomes blind and therefore cannot be flanked; however due to UD he retains his Dex bonus against unseen opponents. He doesn't know where they are - he cannot pinpoint them automatically, for example - but he gets his Dex bonus and therefore cannot be sneak attacked.</p><p></p><p>And his AC doesn't even change - he swaps a +2 flanking bonus for a +2 invisible attacker bonus.</p><p></p><p>If he opens his eyes for his own attacks and then closes them again, he doesn't even suffer attack penalties - in this case, the rogues can ready actions to attack when he opens his eyes, but it still restricts them to single sneak attacks or full non-sneak attacks, rather than full sneak attacks...</p><p></p><p>-Hyp.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 1020744, member: 1656"] [b]Suppose an ally of mine is attacking one foe, then I somehow become invisible, draw my sword, and move to the other side of that foe, thus flanking the foe. Does my ally still get a flanking bonus even if I am invisible?[/b] [i]You get a flanking bonus from any ally your foe can see (and who is in the correct position to flank). If your foe can’t see you, you don’t provide a flanking bonus to any ally. Sharp readers will note that this means you cannot flank a blind creature; however, truly blind creatures are effectively flanked already (the can’t use their Dexterity bonus to AC and you a +2 bonus to attack them). Creatures with the blindsight ability effectively “see” within blindsight range and can be flanked.[/i] Uncanny Dodge is certainly not equivalent to Blindsight. The Sage's original answer in the Chat transcript agreed with you - if you retained your Dex bonus to AC, you could be flanked (which had its own weirdnesses). The FAQ is different to the Chat transcript response, however, and makes no such provision. When the barbarian closes his eyes, he becomes blind and therefore cannot be flanked; however due to UD he retains his Dex bonus against unseen opponents. He doesn't know where they are - he cannot pinpoint them automatically, for example - but he gets his Dex bonus and therefore cannot be sneak attacked. And his AC doesn't even change - he swaps a +2 flanking bonus for a +2 invisible attacker bonus. If he opens his eyes for his own attacks and then closes them again, he doesn't even suffer attack penalties - in this case, the rogues can ready actions to attack when he opens his eyes, but it still restricts them to single sneak attacks or full non-sneak attacks, rather than full sneak attacks... -Hyp. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
D&D Older Editions
[3.5] Feinting & Uncanny Dodge
Top