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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Crothian" data-source="post: 1773117" data-attributes="member: 232">Obviously, not everyone does it that way.  There are always items people have no use for like those weapos n+1 when people have +2's and better, potions, etc.  Plus he gets use out of the items. just not the same use someone else might.DR is never insiginificant.  And one can cast these spells on the Forsaker, they might not always work but its not hard to work around.  Plus, it doesn't have to happen every day.  The Forsaker can live without destroying things and thus no DR for weeks at a time especiually if they aren't out adventureing.  Situations that need magic: few.  Mundane and boring?  Hardly.  You can still do all this stuff, just not willing.  Obviously, if the party is going to cheat and lie to him...might as well cast spells on him without his permission too.   :\ So you force him to make a character that goes along with what you want?  Perhaps you should be having a character that works better with his.  PCitis is part of the game.  But again you work with him and not against him. Wow, your people really have no problems with lieing.  They do get Sense Motive as a class skill, so he can proble beat that zero ranks in bluff most of the party has.  For the lies to work they all have to lie to him, he only needs to succeed against one of them.    And how do the other characters know what his DR is over come by anyway?  Its 100gp per point, so ya 1100 assuming 10th level in the class.  And it doesn't have to happen every day.  He can pick and choose when he does it.  Wait to heal?  you can cast spells on him, he has fast healing?  I think your being impatient.  Less effective is arguible as is regular fighter, but that's not the point.  The Forsaker can be played many ways, and hate of the other PCs is not the only way.  The Forsaker as you have proiven is not for every one or every party.  I imagine most people are going to be biased against them and their unusual ways.  And that can be a fun conflict to role play in a game.  And for those of willing to excpet the challenge, the fun is a great reward.</blockquote>

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