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Message: <blockquote data-quote="IamIan" data-source="post: 2649801" data-attributes="member: 37394">My take on the comparison:Lv 20 Barbarian get +5 Attribute from 20 Levels at best a +6 from Belt of Giant Strength  Mighty Rage Gives +8 for Con Rounds = at best 18 +2 Orc +5 Lvs +6 Belt +8 Rage = 39Lv 9 Forsaker & Lv 11 Barbarian Same +5 Attribute from 20 Levels +9 from Forsaker instead of Belt +6 From Rage for Con Rounds at best 18 +2 Orc +5 Lvs +9 Forsaker +6 Rage = 40so at best the Forsaker is still stronger... oh wait the forsaker's will only go down 6 points at the end of the rage... but the Lv 20 Barbarian goes down 8... so for 23 Hours out of the day the Forsaker is 3 points stronger than the 20th Lv Barbarian and for the short few seconds durring the rage the forsaker is still stronger but just by 1 point.so Strength.. Forsaker Wins....How about HP... nope they are both d12 so the HP are the same....how about base attack...??? nope the same there too....How about DR.... lets take a look.... Lv 20 Barbarian has  5 / - a good DR....A Lv 11 Barbarian Lv 9 Forsaker has DR 2 / - Unless he wears Adamantine Full plate .. and I see no reason for him not to...  if he did the DR would be 3 / -But wait the forsaker gets another DR 8/   by 8th Level and 11/ by 10th level... which unless you have the right weapon will beat the lv 20 Barbarians 5 / - with an 8 / or 11 /  btu even with the right weapon the forsaker has at least 2/ - and more than likely 3/ -a bit on the fence with this one... no clear winner... forsaker better  again most of the time... but for the person with jsut the right weapon .. then yes the lv 20 barbarian can under the right settings get a tiny advantage...How about Healing... sorry Barbarian healing 20 HP per day... the forsaker heals the same 20 per day but when they fight he will also heal 3 per round for up to 50 points... so healing goes to the forsaker.... what about clerics casting heal spells ??? well... if you have 2 people than a second forsaker attacks the cleric and he is too buisy to help... and besides... clerics can still cast heal spells on a forsaker... the forsaker just saves... and if he wins only heals 1/2 instead of the full amount... still looks like advantage forsaker here....What about AC???  another tough one... the barbarian you say can get +5 Armor... yeagh but the forsaker gets his Con as a Natural AC bonous... a 18 Con means +4.... so that means that the Forsaker is 1 point down in AC from the Barbarian hugh??? not exactly... you see when the barbarian rages... his AC drops -2.... but the forsaker gets to use the +3 additional  Con ability bonous toward his AC... so this drops by -2 btu goes up by +3 for a net of +1 AC in Rage.... sooo... 23 hours a day the Lv 20 Barbarian is +1 better AC than the Forsaker Barbarian... but during a rage when it is most useful... the forsaker is +2 better than the Lv 20 Barbarian.... so... it looks close... I would give it to the forsaker... but it is migty close..What About SR... The forsaker has SR 19 by Lv 9 and 20 by Lv 10  even if no race is choosen that has SR for it to stack with... that is easily equal to what the barbarina can buy... even if he still has the money after his +5 Full Plate... his +6 Belt and a few others I am sure.....What about saves.... The forsaker Gets a +2 to start so his Base Fort will always be a point or 2 higher than the barbarian but he also gets Reflex at the same rate... so he will beat the Barbarian in Reflex saves easy..... what about will saves.... they are the same here... expect  the slippery mind ability of the forsaker gives him and edge here....  so.... forsaker as a class wins here too... Can the Barbarian buy bonouses .. yes he can.... but those magic items are starting to add up ... +5 Full Plate... +6 Belt... Spell Resistance... now a bonus on Saves... probably something to try to deal with the healling.... also remember the required feats of Great fort.. lightning reflex .. and iron will all give +2 more to saves for the forsaker....So .. in conclusion I would say the forsaker is easily on par with very very close to equal with the magic useing 20lv barbarian ... beat him in some things and gets beatten in a few too... but the forsaker has one last edge... that puts him over the top....What happens when you have to fighting someone in a anti-magic field???? the forsaker keeps all of his powers and abilities.... the magic stops working and the barbarian finds himself very vulerable.... any time you fight a spell caster he can negate yoru magic items and turn them off...  but not the forsaker....  and the forsaker's powers can not be stolen as the magic items can be and would be a mighty tasty target for me if I was a 10th or 15th level rogue the forsaker looks ok but the ober amount of magic on that barbarian is down right mouth wattering...my 2 bits...</blockquote>

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