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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zimbel" data-source="post: 2655045" data-attributes="member: 29912">A Barbarian 20 is very likely to have an inherent +5 bonus to Str. This is very unlikely for the Forsaker. Also, if you're referring to hit/damage, a LV 20 Barbarian is very likely to have a +9-+10 (total) weapon.A Barbarian of this level would almost certaintely have at least a +6 Con belt. That's +60 HP.I disagree... this is one of the few advantages of the forsaker.With more HP, a higher AC, and a better ability to be healed to the barbarian, I don't think that the Forsaker gets much here. Frankly, I'd pump the Forsaker's healing were I to re-design the class.Why wouldn't the Barbarian have a +6 Dex pump item (possible AC increase), a deflection +5 item (+5 AC), and a +3-+5 animated shield? I think that the Barbarian clearly wins this one.Yes, the forsaker wins this one. Buying SR through items is rarely worth it. On the other hand, the forsaker's base SR (20) is not particuarly useful against the average caster he'll meet (CL 20). It will help against weaker magical opponents, though.I'd be surprised if the barbarian didn't have at least +5 to saves due to items, as well as higher Con and Dex (again due to items).In summary, I think you're underestimating the standard wealth of a LV 20 barbarian (roughly 760,000 if I recall correctly). That's easily enough for a +10 (total) weapon, +10 (total) armor, +10 (total) Shield), a +5 Book, and lots of lesser items (a few +6 enhancers, a resistance item, a fly item, etc.)If you'd like, I can post my analysis along with my take on a 3.5 conversion.</blockquote>

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