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<blockquote data-quote="Three_Haligonians" data-source="post: 2722712" data-attributes="member: 19546">I'm pretty sure I mentioned this before in another Forsaker thread but Monks gain spell like abilities which, if also a Forsaker, they would not be allowed to use. Of course, you could probably make the arguement that the benefits a forsaker monk would gain outweigh the loss of a few spell-like abilities.Here is something else to consider:A non-forsaker can gain up to a +16 to one of his ability modifiers by the time he reaches 20th level - +6 enhancement (from the proper magic item), +5 inherent (from the proper magic tome or manual) and +5 that comes from every 4 levels (4, 8, 12, 16, and 20). All his other abilities can be increased by +11 - again +6 enhancement (from the proper magic item), +5 inherent (from the proper magic tome or manual)(It is true that this would be -very- costly and probably out of the price range of a 20th level character and is, ultimately, up to the DMThe forsaker however, can only gain up to +15 in one ability score - +5 that comes from gaining levels and +10 for the ten levels in forsaker (even then you have to obey the spirit of the this forsaker ability, not the RAW which state every forsaker level gives a +1 inherent bonus and inherent bonuses don't stack with each other).I'm inclined to think that the 3.5 forsaker should have a different mechanic than just &quot;+1 to an ability every level&quot; because it puts them woefully behind. Perhaps it should be something like every four levels all the forsaker's abilites increase by one, or that they get more than one point to allocate to a given ability, or for all abilities.Thoughts?J from Three Haligonians</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Three_Haligonians, post: 2722712, member: 19546"] I'm pretty sure I mentioned this before in another Forsaker thread but Monks gain spell like abilities which, if also a Forsaker, they would not be allowed to use. Of course, you could probably make the arguement that the benefits a forsaker monk would gain outweigh the loss of a few spell-like abilities. Here is something else to consider: A non-forsaker can gain up to a +16 to one of his ability modifiers by the time he reaches 20th level - +6 enhancement (from the proper magic item), +5 inherent (from the proper magic tome or manual) and +5 that comes from every 4 levels (4, 8, 12, 16, and 20). All his other abilities can be increased by +11 - again +6 enhancement (from the proper magic item), +5 inherent (from the proper magic tome or manual) (It is true that this would be -very- costly and probably out of the price range of a 20th level character and is, ultimately, up to the DM The forsaker however, can only gain up to +15 in one ability score - +5 that comes from gaining levels and +10 for the ten levels in forsaker (even then you have to obey the spirit of the this forsaker ability, not the RAW which state every forsaker level gives a +1 inherent bonus and inherent bonuses don't stack with each other). I'm inclined to think that the 3.5 forsaker should have a different mechanic than just "+1 to an ability every level" because it puts them woefully behind. Perhaps it should be something like every four levels [i]all[/i] the forsaker's abilites increase by one, or that they get more than one point to allocate to a given ability, or for all abilities. Thoughts? J from Three Haligonians [/QUOTE]

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