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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Elder-Basilisk" data-source="post: 1026478" data-attributes="member: 3146">You might think so, but the Sword and Fist version doesn't work with any of the feint techniques.It specifies that the extra attack occurs either before or after the character's normal actions when the opponent is denied use of his or her dex bonus.Feint specifies that the target is denied their dex bonus against the feinter's next melee attack.So before the feinter's action, he is not attacking therefore the opponent still has his dex bonus. (The dex bonus isn't lost until the moment the attack occurs) Expert Tactician can't kick in.After the feinter's action, the opponent has their dex bonus back. (The dex bonus is regained the moment the attack is finished). So ET can't kick in after the attack either.It turns out that expert tactician will only work in situations where the opponent is denied their dex bonus for an extended period of time--blinded, flatfooted, grappled, stunned, held, etc.</blockquote>