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[3.5] Improved Heighten Spell NOT Metamagic??
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<blockquote data-quote="irdeggman" data-source="post: 1851207" data-attributes="member: 16285"><p>Ahh but epic wizards don't get bonus wizard feats at epic levels.</p><p></p><p>3.5 DMG pg 207 "An exception to this rule is any bonus feat progresson granted by as a class feature. If a character gets bonus feats as apart of a class feature (such as the feats gained by fighters and wizards), these do not increase with epic levels. Instead, therse classees get a new bonus feat progression (describedin each class summary below).</p><p></p><p>and then later under epic wizard "bonus feats: The epic wizard gains a bonus feat every three levels higher than 20th (23rd, 26th, and so on)"</p><p></p><p>This is the roughly the same description under every epic class, different bonues feat progression but no further details.</p><p></p><p>Since Improved Heighten Spell isn't listed in the DMG, but Improved Metamagic [Epic] is - I must make the assumption that is what you are referring to. Prerequisites 4 metamagic feats, Spellcraft 30 ranks.</p><p></p><p>Each time taken this applies to a different metamagic feat and effectively lowers the spell slot increase of the metamagic feat by 1.</p><p></p><p>So since epic feats are limited to epic characters (and can only be taken with epic level feat slots) a character can't use a class feature (i.e., bonus metamagic feats) to take an epic feat - he can only use the bonus epic level feats he gets from epic character levels (or epic class levels). </p><p></p><p>Hence the PR class bonus feat issue is not a question since they shouldn't progress into epic levels.</p><p></p><p>Off hand it appears that the SRD doesn't match the 3.5 DMG, which now contains the epic level rules since the Epic Level Handbook (3.0) hasn't been redone to 3.5. And the feats you are mentioning are all in the ELH but not in the 3.5 DMG. In the EPL Improved Heightened Spell is listed as a metamagic feat.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="irdeggman, post: 1851207, member: 16285"] Ahh but epic wizards don't get bonus wizard feats at epic levels. 3.5 DMG pg 207 "An exception to this rule is any bonus feat progresson granted by as a class feature. If a character gets bonus feats as apart of a class feature (such as the feats gained by fighters and wizards), these do not increase with epic levels. Instead, therse classees get a new bonus feat progression (describedin each class summary below). and then later under epic wizard "bonus feats: The epic wizard gains a bonus feat every three levels higher than 20th (23rd, 26th, and so on)" This is the roughly the same description under every epic class, different bonues feat progression but no further details. Since Improved Heighten Spell isn't listed in the DMG, but Improved Metamagic [Epic] is - I must make the assumption that is what you are referring to. Prerequisites 4 metamagic feats, Spellcraft 30 ranks. Each time taken this applies to a different metamagic feat and effectively lowers the spell slot increase of the metamagic feat by 1. So since epic feats are limited to epic characters (and can only be taken with epic level feat slots) a character can't use a class feature (i.e., bonus metamagic feats) to take an epic feat - he can only use the bonus epic level feats he gets from epic character levels (or epic class levels). Hence the PR class bonus feat issue is not a question since they shouldn't progress into epic levels. Off hand it appears that the SRD doesn't match the 3.5 DMG, which now contains the epic level rules since the Epic Level Handbook (3.0) hasn't been redone to 3.5. And the feats you are mentioning are all in the ELH but not in the 3.5 DMG. In the EPL Improved Heightened Spell is listed as a metamagic feat. [/QUOTE]
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