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<blockquote data-quote="Persiflage" data-source="post: 5358458" data-attributes="member: 73597">My entire post was with a view to helping the OP with his gaming group's objections to him tripping whilst holding a greataxe.His group's objection is to the notion that one can make an unarmed melee touch attack whilst holding a greataxe.&nbsp; As such, I pointed him to the only reference I could find in relation to the subject.&nbsp; The Rules of the Game article in question says that you can shift one hand from a two-handed weapon as a free action.&nbsp; It further points out that you aren't wielding the weapon whilst you've only got one hand on it, you're just holding it; and therefore don't threaten with it.I've never objected to the idea that you can trip without having a hand free, I'm just pointing out an approach which might help him in his discussion with a group that has already rejected that notion.&nbsp; If they're prepared to accept the mechanism I outlined, the character not threatening with the greataxe during the trip attempt is a concomittant.Other than the Monk's abilities, creatures with additional limbs and&nbsp; specific feats like Snap Kick (which generally require Improved Unarmed&nbsp; Strike in any case), I can't find a reference explicitly allowing&nbsp; someone to make an unarmed strike with their hands full.&nbsp; If I could, I'd point him at that to answer his group's objections.&nbsp; This is only necessary because the OP's group aren't happy with someone making a trip attempt with their hands full: if they were prepared to accept the &quot;sweeping with a leg&quot; argument, we wouldn't be having this conversation in the first place and I'd never have suggested it.&nbsp; His group want a hand free for him to make the trip attempt, and the way I've cited is a possible approach to him gaining just that.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Persiflage, post: 5358458, member: 73597"] My entire post was with a view to helping the OP with his gaming group's objections to him tripping whilst holding a greataxe. His group's objection is to the notion that one can make an unarmed melee touch attack whilst holding a greataxe. As such, I pointed him to the only reference I could find in relation to the subject. The Rules of the Game article in question says that you can shift one hand from a two-handed weapon as a free action. It further points out that you aren't [I]wielding[/I] the weapon whilst you've only got one hand on it, you're just holding it; and therefore don't threaten with it. I've never objected to the idea that you can trip without having a hand free, I'm just pointing out an approach which might help him in his discussion with a group that has already rejected that notion. If they're prepared to accept the mechanism I outlined, the character not threatening with the greataxe during the trip attempt is a concomittant. Other than the Monk's abilities, creatures with additional limbs and specific feats like Snap Kick (which generally require Improved Unarmed Strike in any case), I can't find a reference explicitly allowing someone to make an unarmed strike with their hands full. If I could, I'd point him at that to answer his group's objections. This is only [I]necessary[/I] because the OP's group aren't happy with someone making a trip attempt with their hands full: if they were prepared to accept the "sweeping with a leg" argument, we wouldn't be having this conversation in the first place and I'd never have suggested it. His group want a hand free for him to make the trip attempt, and the way I've cited is a possible approach to him gaining just that. [/QUOTE]

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