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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jimlock" data-source="post: 5565927" data-attributes="member: 6674931">You clearly have your own personal way of reading the rules don't you?SRD:If you trip an opponent in melee combat, you immediately get a melee attack against that opponent as if you hadn’t used your attack for the trip attempt.If you trip an opponent in melee combat = If you have managed to trip an opponent in melee combat = If you have managed to trip an opponent in melee combat with a weapon or unarmed.In your case with a sickle in your off hand...you immediately get a melee attack against that opponent as if you hadn’t used your attack for the trip attempt.The "as if" does not negate the fact that you attacked/triped/used-your-off-hand.The "as if" refers to the free attack attack you gained for managing to trip the opponent so as to explain that you use the same BAB.Your: "i.e. as if the attack hadn't happened." is false because the attack HAS happened, it was simply used so as to trip the opponent instead of dealing damage to him.SRD:TripMaking a Trip AttackMake an unarmed melee touch attack against your target. This provokes an attack of opportunity from your target as normal for unarmed attacks.Tripping with a WeaponSome weapons can be used to make trip attacks. In this case, you make a melee touch attack with the weapon instead of an unarmed melee touch attack, and you don’t provoke an attack of opportunity........Therefore, in your example, you USE your off-hand (sickle) to trip, and you USE your primary hand (longsword) to deal damage.so by the fact that:PART 1:When using a weapon in each hand, you usually can't use a shield, which hurts your Armor Class. In addition, you take an attack penalty on attacks you make with your primary hand and (generally) a bigger attack penalty for your off hand. The exact penalties depend on what feats you have and which two weapons you're using; see page 160 in the Player's Handbook. Parts Two and Three also examine two-weapon fighting in detail......you take TWF penalties for using both your off hand (sickle) and your primary hand (longsword)....</blockquote>

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