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<blockquote data-quote="Sunderstone" data-source="post: 3709501" data-attributes="member: 23497"><p>About the time frame....</p><p>8 months away is not alot of notice after several years of buying a ton of hardcovers. At least now, I probably wont buy any more hardcovers at least until the next edition to cut my losses.</p><p></p><p>About the new edition digital value....</p><p>To me D&D has always been pen, paper, dice, and loads of imagination. </p><p>The Digital portion of 4E while nice for some, isnt too great for me. I am a hardcore video gamer already, I play World of Warcraft on a high end PC (that I built as well), my firends are also similar video gamers, etc. In our case, we dont need D&D crossing into a video-game like atmosphere.</p><p>Even though it may be <strong>optional</strong>, it seems like there will be more enhancements to the paying subscriber, than to us paper-gamers. </p><p>Will there be be some Free web enhancements beyond errata? Who knows. I doubt there will be nearly as much as so many of the pro 4E folks have said "WotC is a business that is out to make money". </p><p>Umm..... duh, but dont you pro-4E folks care about how much money have to spend? After all you arent WotC employees getting paid to design games. You are consumer/gamers. Why should you care so much that WotC needs to make money.</p><p></p><p>About some of the new edition's game feel (at least class/race-wise at this time)....</p><p>Its too early to tell and I might pick up a 4E PH just out of curiousity, but it seems to also be moving even further away from the classic feel and adding more to the splatbook masses (for example the Warlord). </p><p>We still dont know exactly how many new core classes are being added, or which classes might be dropped/altered, and to what extent (the Ranger and Scout rolled into one sounds cool). It just seems like they are catering to the newer, cooler, hip video-game crowd with built in splatbook classes. I say leave the iconic classes and make them more interesting like what they are proposing for the Ranger. Renaming a classic <strong>Wizard</strong> to a more "warcrafty" name of <strong>Mage</strong> or possibly folding the Druid into Cleric doesnt appeal to me.</p><p>I imagine my new splatbook 4 PC party would consist of Mage, Warlord, Cleric, and whatever flavor of the month name is Thief/Rogue (both of which I like though). I prefer a more iconic sounding Fighter, Wizard, Cleric, Rogue.</p><p>As for race rumors like possibly dropping the Gnome.... I dont play gnomes but I really hope this doesnt come to pass.</p><p></p><p>Bottom line, WotC <strong>is</strong> catering to the newer crowd trying to reach out to new players. Seems like an ok business model to adopt to make money. I just dont think that <strong> Dungeons and Dragons </strong> is the right name to call their new RPG.</p><p></p><p><strong>Yes, 4E is optional. I dont have to buy it, etc.</strong></p><p>Comment- I agree and I have a ton of stuff still to play to last me a few years.</p><p></p><p><strong>Yes, eventually D&D will have to evolve.</strong></p><p>Comment - I agree here, but should 4E be called D&D or something more suitable like Mages and Monsters?</p><p></p><p><strong>Yes, I can probably convert all your 3E/3.5E books to 4E. </strong> </p><p>Comment- I agree but do I want to do all that work especially since they seem to be changing alot of things? Not really.</p><p></p><p><strong>Yes, my books arent obsolete.... yet.</strong> </p><p>I agree to an extent. I will still be using them for awhile. At least now I wont have to spend any more money on 3.5 edition products. Saves me alot of cash in the next 8 months at the very least. Woot!</p><p>I will likely buy 3.5 adventures/modules though, might as well stock up and hit my bunker.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sunderstone, post: 3709501, member: 23497"] About the time frame.... 8 months away is not alot of notice after several years of buying a ton of hardcovers. At least now, I probably wont buy any more hardcovers at least until the next edition to cut my losses. About the new edition digital value.... To me D&D has always been pen, paper, dice, and loads of imagination. The Digital portion of 4E while nice for some, isnt too great for me. I am a hardcore video gamer already, I play World of Warcraft on a high end PC (that I built as well), my firends are also similar video gamers, etc. In our case, we dont need D&D crossing into a video-game like atmosphere. Even though it may be [B]optional[/B], it seems like there will be more enhancements to the paying subscriber, than to us paper-gamers. Will there be be some Free web enhancements beyond errata? Who knows. I doubt there will be nearly as much as so many of the pro 4E folks have said "WotC is a business that is out to make money". Umm..... duh, but dont you pro-4E folks care about how much money have to spend? After all you arent WotC employees getting paid to design games. You are consumer/gamers. Why should you care so much that WotC needs to make money. About some of the new edition's game feel (at least class/race-wise at this time).... Its too early to tell and I might pick up a 4E PH just out of curiousity, but it seems to also be moving even further away from the classic feel and adding more to the splatbook masses (for example the Warlord). We still dont know exactly how many new core classes are being added, or which classes might be dropped/altered, and to what extent (the Ranger and Scout rolled into one sounds cool). It just seems like they are catering to the newer, cooler, hip video-game crowd with built in splatbook classes. I say leave the iconic classes and make them more interesting like what they are proposing for the Ranger. Renaming a classic [B]Wizard[/B] to a more "warcrafty" name of [B]Mage[/B] or possibly folding the Druid into Cleric doesnt appeal to me. I imagine my new splatbook 4 PC party would consist of Mage, Warlord, Cleric, and whatever flavor of the month name is Thief/Rogue (both of which I like though). I prefer a more iconic sounding Fighter, Wizard, Cleric, Rogue. As for race rumors like possibly dropping the Gnome.... I dont play gnomes but I really hope this doesnt come to pass. Bottom line, WotC [B]is[/B] catering to the newer crowd trying to reach out to new players. Seems like an ok business model to adopt to make money. I just dont think that [B] Dungeons and Dragons [/B] is the right name to call their new RPG. [B]Yes, 4E is optional. I dont have to buy it, etc.[/B] Comment- I agree and I have a ton of stuff still to play to last me a few years. [B]Yes, eventually D&D will have to evolve.[/B] Comment - I agree here, but should 4E be called D&D or something more suitable like Mages and Monsters? [B]Yes, I can probably convert all your 3E/3.5E books to 4E. [/B] Comment- I agree but do I want to do all that work especially since they seem to be changing alot of things? Not really. [B]Yes, my books arent obsolete.... yet.[/B] I agree to an extent. I will still be using them for awhile. At least now I wont have to spend any more money on 3.5 edition products. Saves me alot of cash in the next 8 months at the very least. Woot! I will likely buy 3.5 adventures/modules though, might as well stock up and hit my bunker. [/QUOTE]
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