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Message: <blockquote data-quote="StupidSmurf" data-source="post: 3714742" data-attributes="member: 35893">Wow...what a mess....ok...hmmm...."Angry"? No, not really."Annoyed"? Oh yeah. Definitely...and if I stub my toe, lose $20, or get a flat, THEN thinking about 4E makes me angry.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> "Surprised?" Sadly, no.In my opinion, I think WotC underwent a big hit in credibility with the way 3.0/3.5 was handled. This has resulted in a loss of consumer trust, at least among some, by no means all.Which could go a long way towards explaining some people's unwillingness to buy 4.0 and instead wait for 4.5.Here's my answers to some of the things I've read in the past five pages. I think it'll be self-evident as to what points I'm addressing, so I won't bother quoting them.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool    :cool:"  data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /> 1. I'm our group's DM. I DO like staying in the loop, I DO like staying current. Sure, I like being known as a DM who runs a good game, keeps things interesting, and is up on all the new rules. It's a point of pride. WotC's now saying "How much is some of that pride worth, man?"2. Although I can't cite sources, I've read (I believe here on ENworld for example) about issues relating to poor play-testing of WotC products in the past. Such information does little to inspire confidence in me that 4.0 will be any better.3. I like gnomes, as do a good percentage of my players.4. I feel that D&D 3.5 cleaned up a lot....but it came about too soon (unless it was bad playtesting that caused 3.0 to have so many problems that needed to be rectified ASAP). If they had waiting juuuust another year or two, using the time to test 3.5 a little more, and made a few more tweaks, they might've had a good reason to call it 4.0 and come out with it, when, about 6 years after 3.0's release? Maybe?5. Call of Cthulhu's gone through a number of editions, true. However, changes from, say 5th to 6th are so small, you can simply annotate your 5th edition book with a few marginal notes. Good luck trying that with 4.0/3.5, ladies and germs!  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> 6. And let me say "Bravo!" to the point that someone else already made (was it Shark?) that there's a helluva lot more D&D 3.5 product out there than a lot of the smaller companies have for their lines. A change of D&D edition is a MAJOR EVENT.7. All of the complexity of 3.5 can be less daunting if not all of it is thrown at a newbie from the git-go. Start off the rookie with something that fits with what they want to play, but only giving them the rules they need to start out, the basics, the fundamentals if you wll, and then add to this as time goes on. You know, like playing the old Squad Leader wargame.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> 8. I think eight months IS ample warning. I don't object to the timing of the announcement, just to what it is they're announcing!  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> SO...to recap:No one's forcing us to buy 4.0.BUT...if you want to be on the cutting edge of D&D, you better buy it.If that doesn't matter to you, then don't buy it.Unless of course you want to play in officially sanctioned/supported events that use the latest edition.But...if that doesn't matter or is N/A, then by all means feel free to ignore it.Our group will stick with 3.5, and 4.0 can go take a flying leap. We're happy with it. The aggravation over the loss of Dragon and Dungeon hasn't worn off yet, and the announcement of the new edition feels like another shot to the head.</blockquote>

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