D&D 3E/3.5 [3.5] Lasher?

[hong]

The Lasher and the other exotic weapon PrC's are combined into one semi-the-same PrC called the Exotic Weapon Master in the Complete Warrior. You basically pick an exotic weapon and do a "choose your own ability" PrC. Not quite as cool but essentially the same deal.

What I love about the exotic weapon master is that it combines the impersonal nature of feats with the cumbersome mechanics of a prestige class. I mean, it takes skill to do that, people.

 

[Anabstercorian]

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[Lord Pendragon]

No problem.

Thanks. Though in my case your version and the 3.0 version are roughly the same, since I only intend to take 2 levels in Lasher, at most. Then again, who knows?

Your build did raise one question, though. From the 3.5 SRD:

Whip: A whip deals nonlethal damage. It deals no damage to any creature with an armor bonus of +1 or higher or a natural armor bonus of +3 or higher. The whip is treated as a melee weapon with 15-foot reach, though you don’t threaten the area into which you can make an attack. In addition, unlike most other weapons with reach, you can use it against foes anywhere within your reach (including adjacent foes).
Using a whip provokes an attack of opportunity, just as if you had used a ranged weapon.

So normally, a whip does not threaten at all, and thus you cannot flank with one. This was true in 3.0 as well.

Now, the Lasher PrC (written for 3.0) provides two abilities at first level:

Close Combat: At 1st level, the lasher can attack an opponent in a threatened square with a whip or whip dagger and not provoke an attack of opportunity.

Whip Lash: The lasher can make attacks of opportunity with his whip or whip dagger against foes within 5 feet as if it were a melee weapon.

So, how would you treat a 1st level lasher's whip? Does it threaten within 5'? The lasher's abilities allow him to make AoOs within 5', but never specifically say that the whip can threaten within that space. If the whip does not threaten then you have a situation where the lasher can make AoOs...but not flank, which seems odd, to say the least.

 

[Ripper-nk]

Thanks. Though in my case your version and the 3.0 version are roughly the same, since I only intend to take 2 levels in Lasher, at most. Then again, who knows?

Your build did raise one question, though. From the 3.5 SRD:So normally, a whip does not threaten at all, and thus you cannot flank with one. This was true in 3.0 as well.

Now, the Lasher PrC (written for 3.0) provides two abilities at first level:So, how would you treat a 1st level lasher's whip? Does it threaten within 5'? The lasher's abilities allow him to make AoOs within 5', but never specifically say that the whip can threaten within that space. If the whip does not threaten then you have a situation where the lasher can make AoOs...but not flank, which seems odd, to say the least.

In 3.5 whip is a melee weapon with reach, so you problems end here. (Whip with power attack twho handed )

But in 3.0 if you can make AoO in 5ft, you now Threaten this square!

 

[Lord Pendragon]

In 3.5 whip is a melee weapon with reach, so you problems end here. (Whip with power attack twho handed )

See that's just it, they don't.

The whip is treated as a melee weapon with 15-foot reach, though you don’t threaten the area into which you can make an attack.

So even in 3.5, the whip does not normally threaten at all, and you cannot flank with it. What I want to know is, was the 3.0 Lasher meant to threaten within 5'? If so, then I don't see a problem assuming it would in 3.5 as well.

 

[NPC]

See that's just it, they don't. So even in 3.5, the whip does not normally threaten at all, and you cannot flank with it. What I want to know is, was the 3.0 Lasher meant to threaten within 5'? If so, then I don't see a problem assuming it would in 3.5 as well.

Since the whip was considered a ranged weapon in [3.0], I don't think the Lasher was ever meant to threaten with the whip.

 

[Lord Pendragon]

Since the whip was considered a ranged weapon in [3.0], I don't think the Lasher was ever meant to threaten with the whip.

A ranged weapon can't make AoOs either, but a Lasher with a whip can within 5'. It seems to me that the Lasher is meant to be able to treat the whip, within 5', as a standard, normal-sized weapon, threatening and exploiting AoOs as normal. But the wording makes it debatable.