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<blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 6104339" data-attributes="member: 6669384">There are a number of creatures in the MM III that damage armor/weapons every time they hit, dropping the item's magical bonus with each hit.I think one is called a Dust Wight (I could be wrong).&nbsp; Only a CR 7, and a great cure for an over-equipped party.&nbsp; Did I mention that they petrify anyone/anything that comes close?&nbsp; And then attack and crumble the stoned people?&nbsp; As for your Were-Tiger: The Lycanthropic part of the deal is a +9 ECL adjustment, and the Feral adds at least one more.&nbsp; Even with Gestalt, that leaves you light on actual levels to play with.Also, the VoP can only be taken by someone who is not merely Good, but &quot;of highest moral character&quot;, which most take to mean Lawful Good.&nbsp; As DM you can change/reinterpret/ignore that, but it's usually bad form for a DM to blatantly ignore the rules in order to &quot;punish&quot; a group.The previous DM has allowed a mess to develop, and is counting on you to clean it up for him.&nbsp; Not a good position to be in.&nbsp; Why?&nbsp; Because after you're through, when he takes over again, they'll walk all over him a second time and get back everything they lost in your adventure, and then some.Now, if you're simply planning to de-power them, you definitely want Improved Sunder, or at least Improved Disarm.If you're trying to change their gaming philosophy from gear/power focused to RP, be prepared for disappointment.&nbsp; Psychologically speaking, you can't convince people that over-powered is wrong by beating them down with a bigger version of &quot;over-powered&quot;.&nbsp; All you'll do is convince them that they weren't over-powered enough.&nbsp; I've seen it attempted many times and I've never seen it work.If your goal is a TPK, so they have to start new characters without the power overdose, you might have a chance.&nbsp; Sorry I didn't address your core question very well.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Greenfield, post: 6104339, member: 6669384"] There are a number of creatures in the MM III that damage armor/weapons every time they hit, dropping the item's magical bonus with each hit. I think one is called a Dust Wight (I could be wrong). Only a CR 7, and a great cure for an over-equipped party. Did I mention that they petrify anyone/anything that comes close? And then attack and crumble the stoned people? As for your Were-Tiger: The Lycanthropic part of the deal is a +9 ECL adjustment, and the Feral adds at least one more. Even with Gestalt, that leaves you light on actual levels to play with. Also, the VoP can only be taken by someone who is not merely Good, but "of highest moral character", which most take to mean Lawful Good. As DM you can change/reinterpret/ignore that, but it's usually bad form for a DM to blatantly ignore the rules in order to "punish" a group. The previous DM has allowed a mess to develop, and is counting on you to clean it up for him. Not a good position to be in. Why? Because after you're through, when he takes over again, they'll walk all over him a second time and get back everything they lost in your adventure, and then some. Now, if you're simply planning to de-power them, you definitely want Improved Sunder, or at least Improved Disarm. If you're trying to change their gaming philosophy from gear/power focused to RP, be prepared for disappointment. Psychologically speaking, you can't convince people that over-powered is wrong by beating them down with a bigger version of "over-powered". All you'll do is convince them that they weren't over-powered enough. I've seen it attempted many times and I've never seen it work. If your goal is a TPK, so they have to start new characters without the power overdose, you might have a chance. Sorry I didn't address your core question very well. [/QUOTE]

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