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<blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 6104358" data-attributes="member: 6669384">I was just looking at the Were Tiger andWere Bear forms in the SRD.Based on a 1st level Warrior, the Tiger is effectively considered a tenth level creature.&nbsp; His full attack is 2 claws at +11 and a bite at +6.&nbsp; The Were Bear is also based on a 1st level Warrior and has a full attack of 2 claws at +13 and a bite at +11.&nbsp; Both get 6 hit dice of their animal form and +3 character adjustment, for a total of +9 ECL.Both get Improved Grab.&nbsp; The Tiger also gets Pounce and Rake.&nbsp; The Bear has 62 hit points on average and the Tiger has 50.&nbsp; The Bear also has more Natural Armor.Over all I'd be tempted to go with the Bear form over the Tiger.But, aside from the intimidating looking stats, neither is that impressive in terms of attack bonuses.&nbsp; If I'm going to dedicate 10 levels to a melee monster I'd expect to do better than +11 or +13 to hit.&nbsp; And while a lot of natural armor is nice, the over all AC isn't impressive.I tend to figure that character AC should probably start with a base of Level +14 to Level +17.&nbsp; If these guys are 12th level, and overpowered to boot, expect ACs of 30+.&nbsp; +11 to hit is pretty much the same as +0 at that point.&nbsp; And all the nasty melee combat damage in the world is wasted if you can't hit. Now you're going to be a lot crazier than just Lycanthrope because of the Gestalt levels, but I'm thinking that if you want crazy melee you could do a lot better by taking another route.You'd do better with a well designed Fighter.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Greenfield, post: 6104358, member: 6669384"] I was just looking at the Were Tiger andWere Bear forms in the SRD. Based on a 1st level Warrior, the Tiger is effectively considered a tenth level creature. His full attack is 2 claws at +11 and a bite at +6. The Were Bear is also based on a 1st level Warrior and has a full attack of 2 claws at +13 and a bite at +11. Both get 6 hit dice of their animal form and +3 character adjustment, for a total of +9 ECL. Both get Improved Grab. The Tiger also gets Pounce and Rake. The Bear has 62 hit points on average and the Tiger has 50. The Bear also has more Natural Armor. Over all I'd be tempted to go with the Bear form over the Tiger. But, aside from the intimidating looking stats, neither is that impressive in terms of attack bonuses. If I'm going to dedicate 10 levels to a melee monster I'd expect to do better than +11 or +13 to hit. And while a lot of natural armor is nice, the over all AC isn't impressive. I tend to figure that character AC should probably start with a base of Level +14 to Level +17. If these guys are 12th level, and overpowered to boot, expect ACs of 30+. +11 to hit is pretty much the same as +0 at that point. And all the nasty melee combat damage in the world is wasted if you can't hit. Now you're going to be a lot crazier than just Lycanthrope because of the Gestalt levels, but I'm thinking that if you want crazy melee you could do a lot better by taking another route. You'd do better with a well designed Fighter. [/QUOTE]

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