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<blockquote data-quote="doghead" data-source="post: 6104455" data-attributes="member: 8243">I can't help but think that you are heading into troubled waters with this. And perhaps for limited or no long term benefit. If the point is to create a powerful and dangerous adversary to challenge the characters, get the heart rate going and the creative juices flowing, thats great. I have been on the receiving end of a opponent who constantly put the PC's on the back foot and forced them to fight for their lives. It was thrilling, and drove us as players to work harder to seek victory. It was always our choice to head back into the lions den. That opponent added to the game.If the point is to manufacture a TPK, why beat around the bush. Just have a God zap them dead. Or better still, just have the DM talk to the players about the problem.Is there a problem? If the PC's are 12th level, but &quot;effectively 14th level&quot; due to an abundance of magical items, just treat them as 14th level characters and game on. No problem.If the DM is running set adventures and the PC's effective level is resulting in either encounters being too easy as written (and hence boring) and the amount of work involved in adapting them is making the game more like work than play for the DM, then there is a problem. Talk to the players.If the complexity of running 14th level game is making the experience more like work than play for the DM, you guessed it, talk to the players.Sorry, this post doesn't really go to your original question. I don't run games at this level because of the complexity. And if I came across as snarky, again I apologise. It was not my intention. thotd</blockquote>

[QUOTE="doghead, post: 6104455, member: 8243"] I can't help but think that you are heading into troubled waters with this. And perhaps for limited or no long term benefit. If the point is to create a powerful and dangerous adversary to challenge the characters, get the heart rate going and the creative juices flowing, thats great. I have been on the receiving end of a opponent who constantly put the PC's on the back foot and forced them to fight for their lives. It was thrilling, and drove us as players to work harder to seek victory. It was always our choice to head back into the lions den. That opponent added to the game. If the point is to manufacture a TPK, why beat around the bush. Just have a God zap them dead. Or better still, just have the DM talk to the players about the problem. Is there a problem? If the PC's are 12th level, but "effectively 14th level" due to an abundance of magical items, just treat them as 14th level characters and game on. No problem. If the DM is running set adventures and the PC's effective level is resulting in either encounters being too easy as written (and hence boring) and the amount of work involved in adapting them is making the game more like work than play for the DM, then there is a problem. Talk to the players. If the complexity of running 14th level game is making the experience more like work than play for the DM, you guessed it, talk to the players. Sorry, this post doesn't really go to your original question. I don't run games at this level because of the complexity. And if I came across as snarky, again I apologise. It was not my intention. thotd [/QUOTE]

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