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<blockquote data-quote="Voadam" data-source="post: 5278814" data-attributes="member: 2209">Alternate idea is to take the rules for modifying encounter levels and go with that. Every doubling of a monster increases the EL by +2. So if you want an equivalent of the 4 4e minions then you would instead substitute the normal creature with four creatures of base monster's CR-4.You need to watch out though, throw critters that are too low CR and the party will be fairly immune to them, particularly if they have high particularly high AC.As for good goblin themed dangerous minions you could take a page out of Order of the Stick and go with a bajillion goblin ninjas, with either a ninja class or just rogue type levels so they do some noticeable damage but still have low AC and hp. The problem being their attack bonuses will lag with the medium BAB rate which your high AC party could mostly not worry about, unless you go with the Rokugan ninja class who get full BAB. Alternately go with the Unearthed Arcana fighter variant that gives up feats for sneak attack.You could even have the inverse ninja law apply, when they face one, he is deadly, when they face a dozen they are mooks.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Voadam, post: 5278814, member: 2209"] Alternate idea is to take the rules for modifying encounter levels and go with that. Every doubling of a monster increases the EL by +2. So if you want an equivalent of the 4 4e minions then you would instead substitute the normal creature with four creatures of base monster's CR-4. You need to watch out though, throw critters that are too low CR and the party will be fairly immune to them, particularly if they have high particularly high AC. As for good goblin themed dangerous minions you could take a page out of Order of the Stick and go with a bajillion goblin ninjas, with either a ninja class or just rogue type levels so they do some noticeable damage but still have low AC and hp. The problem being their attack bonuses will lag with the medium BAB rate which your high AC party could mostly not worry about, unless you go with the Rokugan ninja class who get full BAB. Alternately go with the Unearthed Arcana fighter variant that gives up feats for sneak attack. You could even have the inverse ninja law apply, when they face one, he is deadly, when they face a dozen they are mooks.:) [/QUOTE]

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