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<blockquote data-quote="Cactot" data-source="post: 5351419" data-attributes="member: 13700">I totally agree that the melee character has many things going in its favor, though it holds its own against a decently well made (but not super optimized) melee character.Assuming the following:Both have weapons 2 sizes too big, one uses a greatbow, the other uses a great sword.2h barb 12 (whirling) /fighter 4Base 20 str, +4 from level ups Feats: (4 required)Power attack, Lion totem, Weapon spec/focusWeapon: Huge Flaming greatsword of collisionWhile Raging:Attack +25/25/20/15/106d6 (Huge Greatsword) + 15 (str) + 2 spec + +1d6 flaming + 5 collisionAverage 46.5 per hitWays to raise this: Too numerous to count, and you have two more free feats. (to use for shock trooper, combat brute, robillars gambit, etc)Greatbow Fighter 4/Barb 12 (ferocity)Base 18 str + 4 from level ups, 18 dexFeats (6 required):Prof: greatbowWF, Spec, and RWM: Greatbow, (total +3/hit+4 dmg)Rapid shot, Improved Rapid ShotWeapon: Huge Splitting Composite GreatbowWhen ragingAttack +27/27/22/17/12&nbsp;&nbsp; (16+3 (feats)+1(weapon) + 7(dex while raging))Damage:8d8 (2x huge composite greatbow) +18 (2x str) + 2 (2x weapon enhancement) + 8 (2x feat bonuses) Average 64 on a hitPossible ways to raise it:Magical arrows, +str items, further enchant the bow.&nbsp; I realize, this is an extremely optimized archer vs a &quot;normal&quot; barbarian.&nbsp; But even if you have an optimized melee guy in your party, you shouldn't feel useless doing&nbsp; 36-92 damage per attack, with a good chance to hit.&nbsp; If all your attacks hit, you will do an average of 320 damage, not too shabby.Basically the &quot;splitting&quot; attribute is the only thing that makes a viable archer possible.&nbsp; Without that it would be vastly inferior even to this somewhat average melee barbarian.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cactot, post: 5351419, member: 13700"] I totally agree that the melee character has many things going in its favor, though it holds its own against a decently well made (but not super optimized) melee character. Assuming the following: Both have weapons 2 sizes too big, one uses a greatbow, the other uses a great sword. 2h barb 12 (whirling) /fighter 4 Base 20 str, +4 from level ups Feats: (4 required) Power attack, Lion totem, Weapon spec/focus Weapon: Huge Flaming greatsword of collision While Raging: Attack +25/25/20/15/10 6d6 (Huge Greatsword) + 15 (str) + 2 spec + +1d6 flaming + 5 collision Average 46.5 per hit Ways to raise this: Too numerous to count, and you have two more free feats. (to use for shock trooper, combat brute, robillars gambit, etc) Greatbow Fighter 4/Barb 12 (ferocity) Base 18 str + 4 from level ups, 18 dex Feats (6 required): Prof: greatbow WF, Spec, and RWM: Greatbow, (total +3/hit+4 dmg) Rapid shot, Improved Rapid Shot Weapon: Huge Splitting Composite Greatbow When raging Attack +27/27/22/17/12 (16+3 (feats)+1(weapon) + 7(dex while raging)) Damage: 8d8 (2x huge composite greatbow) +18 (2x str) + 2 (2x weapon enhancement) + 8 (2x feat bonuses) Average 64 on a hit Possible ways to raise it: Magical arrows, +str items, further enchant the bow. I realize, this is an extremely optimized archer vs a "normal" barbarian. But even if you have an optimized melee guy in your party, you shouldn't feel useless doing 36-92 damage per attack, with a good chance to hit. If all your attacks hit, you will do an average of 320 damage, not too shabby. Basically the "splitting" attribute is the only thing that makes a viable archer possible. Without that it would be vastly inferior even to this somewhat average melee barbarian. [/QUOTE]

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