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3.5: newb needs a little help with Hellfire Warlock build
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<blockquote data-quote="Hexer" data-source="post: 5490232" data-attributes="member: 6672148"><p>hmmmm</p><p> </p><p>In complete arcane it says that <span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Semibold'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Semibold'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Sudden Metamagic Feats </span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px">don</span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px">’</span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px">t require modi</span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px">fi</span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px">ed spell slots, and therefore work as well with spell-like abilities or invocations as they do with spells (except for verbal components which they dont have and gestures only for invocations). No problems here.</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px">It also says that <span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Creatures with spell-like abilities at a high enough level will </span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px">fi</span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px">nd sudden metamagic feats less useful than the dedicated feats Empower Spell-Like Ability and Quicken Spell-Like Ability (referring to the Monster Manual page that describes them</span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px">), as well as the Maximize Spell-Like Ability feat.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p>And of course that meta magic feats other than as noted above can not be used.</p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px">I took that for Warlocks being able to use empower/quicken/maximize. Am I wrong on this?</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Also could you elaborate a little on how you think the abyssal heritor feats would work out best for me? </span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Flavor-wise I agree that they would indeed work well, but looking at them there are </span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px">- some melee-oriented feats that arent of too much use for me since I'm more of a blaster basically </span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px">- one for sneak attacks that will be no use at all since I dont have sneak attacks </span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px">- one about lore that will only give me half its intended benefit since knowledge (planes) and spellcraft already ARE class skills for me </span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px">- a damage-improving one that only applies to weapons while my main "weapon" will be my blasting </span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px">doesnt leave all that much to really make use of for my char it seems. Am I missing something?</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'CelestiaAntiqua-Medium'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hexer, post: 5490232, member: 6672148"] hmmmm In complete arcane it says that [FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Semibold][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Semibold][SIZE=2]Sudden Metamagic Feats [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2]don[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2]’[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2]t require modi[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2]fi[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2]ed spell slots, and therefore work as well with spell-like abilities or invocations as they do with spells (except for verbal components which they dont have and gestures only for invocations). No problems here.[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2]It also says that [FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2]Creatures with spell-like abilities at a high enough level will [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2]fi[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2]nd sudden metamagic feats less useful than the dedicated feats Empower Spell-Like Ability and Quicken Spell-Like Ability (referring to the Monster Manual page that describes them[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2]), as well as the Maximize Spell-Like Ability feat.[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] And of course that meta magic feats other than as noted above can not be used. [FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2]I took that for Warlocks being able to use empower/quicken/maximize. Am I wrong on this?[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2]Also could you elaborate a little on how you think the abyssal heritor feats would work out best for me? [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2]Flavor-wise I agree that they would indeed work well, but looking at them there are [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2]- some melee-oriented feats that arent of too much use for me since I'm more of a blaster basically [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2]- one for sneak attacks that will be no use at all since I dont have sneak attacks [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2]- one about lore that will only give me half its intended benefit since knowledge (planes) and spellcraft already ARE class skills for me [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2]- a damage-improving one that only applies to weapons while my main "weapon" will be my blasting [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2][FONT=CelestiaAntiqua-Medium][SIZE=2]doesnt leave all that much to really make use of for my char it seems. Am I missing something? [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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