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<blockquote data-quote="Spatula" data-source="post: 1023778" data-attributes="member: 2198">Unfortunately, the penalties to hit reduce your damage output.&nbsp; While I haven't done the math, the extra damage from an attack with an off-hand dagger probably isn't going to make up for damage lost due to misses.&nbsp; Perhaps Mike Sullivan or Spikey Freak can work out the actual numbers.What your situation ignores, however, is how the non-2WF ends up with two weapons.&nbsp; If the fighter normally uses a greatsword, he probably doesn't have 2 weapons to use, and even if he did it would take him a full round to drop his greatsword and draw both (barring quickdraw).&nbsp; A sword-and-shield fighter would need a move action to get rid of his shield, then another to draw his dagger.&nbsp; Even with quickdraw, losing the shield costs a move, preventing a full attack.&nbsp; If time is truly of the essence, the fighter probably isn't going to sacrifice a round to switch fighting styles.Well, now that I think about it, the sword-and-shield fighter can do a shield bash, he just loses the AC bonus from the shield for that round.&nbsp; Of course, there are problems with that as well - the shield a non-magical weapon unless it has enchanted spikes on it, so if the foe has DR (and it almost certainly does at the levels we're talking about), the bash attack won't do much, if anything.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Spatula, post: 1023778, member: 2198"] Unfortunately, the penalties to hit reduce your damage output. While I haven't done the math, the extra damage from an attack with an off-hand dagger probably isn't going to make up for damage lost due to misses. Perhaps Mike Sullivan or Spikey Freak can work out the actual numbers. What your situation ignores, however, is how the non-2WF ends up with two weapons. If the fighter normally uses a greatsword, he probably doesn't have 2 weapons to use, and even if he did it would take him a full round to drop his greatsword and draw both (barring quickdraw). A sword-and-shield fighter would need a move action to get rid of his shield, then another to draw his dagger. Even with quickdraw, losing the shield costs a move, preventing a full attack. If time is truly of the essence, the fighter probably isn't going to sacrifice a round to switch fighting styles. Well, now that I think about it, the sword-and-shield fighter can do a shield bash, he just loses the AC bonus from the shield for that round. Of course, there are problems with that as well - the shield a non-magical weapon unless it has enchanted spikes on it, so if the foe has DR (and it almost certainly does at the levels we're talking about), the bash attack won't do much, if anything. [/QUOTE]

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