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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Urbannen" data-source="post: 1056603" data-attributes="member: 7643">From SRD:Very easy (0)     Notice something large in plain sight (Spot)Easy (5)                     Climb a knotted rope (Climb)Average (10)     Hear an approaching guard (Listen)Tough (15)     Rig a wagon wheel to fall off (Disable Device)Challenging (20)     Swim in stormy water (Swim)Formidable (25)     Open an average lock (Open Lock)It sounds like your Database Design skill is trained only (in fact, I know it is because I know that I couldn't do it).  What is your Database Design skill bonus?  All you need is a +5 to your bonus to always perform tough tasks with the Take 10 rule.  Could any 1st level techie with slightly above average intelligence do every tough database design problem right the first time given a reasonable time frame for only one try?  By taking 10 a 3rd level techie with Skill Focus (Database Design) can always solve Challenging database design problems the first time, given time for only one try.  Is that the way things really work?  As for croissants, I would classify baking them as an easy task (I know it's just a random example) - certainly not a Tough task.  It only takes a +4 bonus to Profession (baker) to never make a mistake.  Even if the DC were 8, the chances of failure for a 2nd level baker would be zero by taking 1: 5 ranks + 0 Int mod + 3 Skill Focus (Profession (baker)) = +8.  Can't fail.  I don't think it makes sense for a baker with a skill check of +8 to have a zero percent chance of messing up a Tough order the first time.  Tough means not easy.  Skill comes from levels, talent, and feats.  I think it makes more sense for a person with a +14 to his skill to always succeed at a Tough task, rather than someone with a +5.</blockquote>

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