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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Verdande" data-source="post: 5275260" data-attributes="member: 69093">Everybody knows my opinion by now:The best rules are the older ones. There's no reason to limit yourself to 3.5 or 4e, when both are needlessly complicated and overly reliant on rules, especially for new players. But it depends on where you're coming from. If your group is wargamers first and roleplayers second, 4th edition can work for you. Its detractors claim that it's a gussied up wargame, so maybe it'll be your gateway drug.If your group is into more freeform, open roleplay, where you don't have to touch the rules because they're easy enough to internalize, and if you're big on homebrewing and making stuff up, I'd recommend <a href="http://goblinoidgames.com" target="_blank">Labyrinth Lord</a>. It's a free pdf download, or you can (optionally) choose to buy a softcover or hardcover book for a pittance. It's my favorite version of the game, and miles and miles superior to any of the newer editions. Newer doesn't always equal better, as you well know.If you're big into character building, then I recommend 3rd edition. Most people who like 3e are into it because it lets them play with mechanics and math and stuff to make the most optimal character possible. If you're not into that, then 4e or a retro-clone like Labyrinth Lord are more your speed.</blockquote>