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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lichtenhart" data-source="post: 1026547" data-attributes="member: 761">No. A musician gets better through the hours of practice he puts in his art. A bard gets better by gathering the willpower and self-confidence necessary to inspire his allies even in front of a dragon. A bard is NOT a musician, as all RL musicians seem to think. A bard is a class in a fictional world. It looks to me like in 3e musicians were 'rubbed the wrong way' because they think bards got it easy, while they had to suffer on their instrument. Again I ask: do your characters need some more effort and pain? Is 3e perform unrealistic? Yes it is. But the 3.5e fix basically says that it takes the same time and effort becoming a world known drummer than a world known historian that knows everything about what happened in every age. Or a cartographer that knows every single city in the world.  Or a man trained to survive in every possible environment. Or a naturalist that know everything about every single plant and animal. That's not realism you want. That's realism applied only to your profession. And we, the 'bard powergamers' (I think this definition could get a lot of people rolling on the floor laughing outside of this thread) and 'whiners' are just saying that this doesn't seem fair to us.Oh and about 2e proficiency system (which I hated and house-ruled as soon as I could) won't we tell that back in the days the 20th level fighter could use something like 10 weapons? and that if you had an high stat you got indeed instant mastery?</blockquote>

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