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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dandu" data-source="post: 5490759" data-attributes="member: 85158">Off the top of my head, bards can use their music for level/rounds. This adds to book keeping and reduces the amount of times the bard can be useful. Why this nerf was necessary is puzzling as Bards were never that powerful in core, and were never overpowered outside of it.Rogues got to sneak attack everything, but spells that allowed them to sneak attack easier, for example, the Blink spell, no longer allow them to do so. It's something of a stealth nerf. Kinda makes it hard to get off a sneak attack if you don't have a flanking buddy, and makes archery based rogues unfeasible.Also, no sneak attacking with flasks of acid and alchemists's fire at the enemy's touch AC.If you look back at my first post you will see (along with some grammatical corrections) threads discussing the changes PF made. I'd give more weight to Saph's as it was published after the PF PHB came out, while Frank's was posted during the beta. Unfortunately, Saph doesn't talk as much about stealth nerfs as she should, but they do get mentioned in the thread.</blockquote>