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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Malin Genie" data-source="post: 957271" data-attributes="member: 1058">Re: Re: reI'm going to use one of my characters as an example (currently Bbn4/Rgr1; let's take him to Bbn4/Rgr2 and give him Power Attack as a 6th level Feat) as I don't feel he's atypical for a 'two-handed-strength-fighter' type.Raging attack bonus +13 (+6 BAB +6 Str +1 magic)Damage 1d8 +10 (+9 Str +1 magic; Longspear +1)Hit chance; average damage 0.05 x [14.5 + P] x [(33 - AC) - P]Completing the square, with 1-for-1 PA it's beneficial to Power Attack when the opponent's AC is worse than 18.Now with 2-for-1 PA, the equation is 0.05 x [14.5 + 2P] x [(33 - AC) - P]which can be rewritten0.1 x [7.25 + P] x [(33 - AC) - P]allowing us to complete the square; lo and behold, it's now beneficial for me to Power Attack if the opponent's AC is 24 or worse (given that P must be an integer.)  There aren't many opponents at level 6 with AC 25+ (not none, just not many - even a CR6 red dragon is only AC 21.  The only creatures I can find on  a quick flip through the MM with CR 7 or less and AC 25+ are the Huge Air Elemental (26) and Will-O'-Wisp (29))Even if we look at a full attack sequence; average damage0.05 + [14.5 + 2P] x {[(33 - AC) - P] + [(28 - AC) - P]}=0.05 x [14.5 + 2P] x [(61 - 2 x AC) - 2P]=0.2 x [7.25 + P] x [(30.5 - AC) - P]making the break point AC 22.Obviously, if I am blessed or flanking or have further bonuses to hit, Power Attack becomes even more attractive.For a two-handed weapon wielder it's gone from 'useful against relatively low AC opponents' to 'useful against nearly all opponents'.  At least in an average damage sense - how meaningful a measure of combat effectiveness that is is another debate unto itself.</blockquote>

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