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Message: <blockquote data-quote="cjosephs1s" data-source="post: 5705120" data-attributes="member: 6683450">First off kudos for coming up with an awesome concept.  I really hope your DM lets you do this.  But if I were a DM here are some initial "problems/barriers" I see that you will may want to overcome or think about before taking it to your DM.  I give these ideas in the hopes you do get to play this character concept and not to be a fuddy duddy<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> First this is what I would consider a mount and a flying one at that so your DM may require you to have ranks in ride or handle animal or even a feat that lets you do this.  So be prepared for that.   Second the spell Enlarge Person is for humanoids.  Now granted you are casting it on yourself, but there are several other precedents that show a difference between humanoids and monsters/animal such as hold monster/person.  So while you may have found a gray area in the rules with familiars sharing this spell it is gray and your DM may say its not a person but a monster.  So backup plan is to find an Enlarge Monster/animal spell.  I checked the Spell compendium but didn't see one but that doesn't mean one doesn't exist in some form.  So you might wanna find it.  Look at druid spells first as they deal with animals more than any other class.  Third this is only going to take your bird from Tiny to Small and increase his strength to 3.  While you will go from Small to Tiny.  So here's the next question:  Can a small Bird carry a Tiny creature given that birds stats?  Remember a bird uses physics to fly, not magic.  (I recall the scene from Monty Python's Holy Grail with two swallows and a coconut).  The only way I see overcoming this is to get a bigger bird or make yourself smaller and the spells don't stack.  There are rules on special mounts in some book.  Maybe it there's an expanded list of familiars in like Complete Arcane/mage?   As for permancy it should work fine on you with no problems.  Just remember it can be dispelled and you may want to look into how it works in Antimagic zones.  After all you every DM loves to put you in a dungoen with a beholder from time to time.  I would allow an enlarge monster/animal to work on a bird if it works on a human but I'm not your DM and they may be a "if its not in the book I won't allow it stickler"  Enlarge Monster/animal is not specifically listed so on an offnote be prepared for that as well.  Also keep in mind your raven has to let you do this.  And permancy with its xp cost is going to be expensive at such a low level.  Usually its 5 gold per xp point spent.  So in addition to the spell cost of a level 5 wiz spell (1125gp) add 2500gp to it...<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek!    :eek:"  data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" />.   These are just the things that scream out at me what might stop you from doing it and hopefully I have at least given an idea of how to overcome them.  I hope this helped and hopefully your DM just says "Sure sounds cool" and you don't have to any of this.  Good luck</blockquote>

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