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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lamoni" data-source="post: 1055459" data-attributes="member: 12680">Are you saying that the spell caster is that much more powerful while being the same level as the sword wielders and shield bearers around them?  Most people would assume that they are much more powerful because they are at a much higher level.  Why wouldn't Gandalf be 10-20 levels higher than all the rest since he has been around for so long.  Legolas will also be around for a long time, but we are unsure how old he is at the time of the adventure.If you want spellcasters to be much more powerful than the rest, then that works as long as you have a wizard in your party.  But what happens when you have a CR15 monster (that is designed to be an appropriate challenge for a party of fighter, wizard, rogue, and cleric) and the party doesn't have a spellcaster?  If spellcasters are so much more powerful and the party was without one, the CR should jump from 15 to 18.  Or if you were in a party with 2 wizards... the CR should drop to 13.Having spellcasters that are unbalanced may work in your campaign, but when they are unbalanced, they have problems in the majority of others.  The problem with challenge rating was just one example.</blockquote>