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<blockquote data-quote="Nail" data-source="post: 1066587" data-attributes="member: 224"><p>Right, and I can agree with the need for "better" balance. It's the execution that I disagree with, and strongly. With 3.5e, this spell becomes useful only for those with much preparation and surprise....and at low level, who is that likely to be: the PCs or the Monsters?</p><p></p><p>5 points for the correct answer. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>A full round spell means that the caster uses all of his actions (standard and movement) for one round, and then has to hope that no one bothers him until his next turn. The spell goes off right before his next turn. At 1st thru 3rd level, hoping that you'll make it through a round withour disturbance is......far-fetched.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Exactly. This is the 2nd problem with the spell, both in 3.0e and 3.5e. Why not address both the "balance" issue and the "scalable" issue at the same time? It <u>is</u> possible!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I disagree. Deep slumber is also poorly designed, for the same reasons <em>sleep</em> is. And it should have been called "Greater Sleep" or some such nonsense, to make comparisons between it and <em>sleep</em> easier to do. After all, the description of <em>Deep Slumber</em> relies on the text of the <em>sleep</em> spell, meaning you have to page back and forth between them. (See how <em>restoration, greater restoration,</em> and <em>lesser restoration</em> do it? Easy, huh?) Bad design on <em>Deep Slumber</em> and <em>Sleep</em>, again.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nail, post: 1066587, member: 224"] Right, and I can agree with the need for "better" balance. It's the execution that I disagree with, and strongly. With 3.5e, this spell becomes useful only for those with much preparation and surprise....and at low level, who is that likely to be: the PCs or the Monsters? 5 points for the correct answer. :) A full round spell means that the caster uses all of his actions (standard and movement) for one round, and then has to hope that no one bothers him until his next turn. The spell goes off right before his next turn. At 1st thru 3rd level, hoping that you'll make it through a round withour disturbance is......far-fetched. [b][/b] Exactly. This is the 2nd problem with the spell, both in 3.0e and 3.5e. Why not address both the "balance" issue and the "scalable" issue at the same time? It [u]is[/u] possible! I disagree. Deep slumber is also poorly designed, for the same reasons [i]sleep[/i] is. And it should have been called "Greater Sleep" or some such nonsense, to make comparisons between it and [i]sleep[/i] easier to do. After all, the description of [i]Deep Slumber[/i] relies on the text of the [i]sleep[/i] spell, meaning you have to page back and forth between them. (See how [i]restoration, greater restoration,[/i] and [i]lesser restoration[/i] do it? Easy, huh?) Bad design on [i]Deep Slumber[/i] and [i]Sleep[/i], again. [/QUOTE]
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