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<blockquote data-quote="officeronin" data-source="post: 849020" data-attributes="member: 8483">No, not at all.&nbsp; The wizard has one shot, because he or she can't stand a full round attack from a fighter.&nbsp; If that one shot lands, then it's a win.&nbsp; If not, he probably won't get a second chance.&nbsp; That's balanced.&nbsp; Fighters can do the same thing with disarms and sunders -- the success or failure of a combat hinges on one successful swing.&nbsp; Is there a problem with that, too?&nbsp; Are you trying to argue that D+D should be &quot;d8+2 back and forth until the bad guys die&quot;?&nbsp; How boring.Nerfing the &quot;save or die&quot; spells means that spellcasters, (especially wizards) are dead meat -- they don't have the ability to stand for rounds 2-15 trading their d4 -1 with the enemy's d8+2.Version 3.0 claimed to be balanced -- and most people thought it was relatively well done.&nbsp; Now, those same people are claiming that 3.5 is well-balanced.&nbsp; That's absurd.&nbsp; They have nerfed spellcasting, and given casters nothing.&nbsp; They can't both be balanced.I will adopt a wait and see attitude -- but I will not purchase them until I read someone elses.&nbsp; If the indications from Dragon hold true, I will not purchase them.&nbsp; I find fighters boring, and it doesn't seem like the casters will be viable characters other than as daily use buff items for the fighters.OfficeRonin</blockquote>

[QUOTE="officeronin, post: 849020, member: 8483"] No, not at all. The wizard has one shot, because he or she can't stand a full round attack from a fighter. If that one shot lands, then it's a win. If not, he probably won't get a second chance. That's balanced. Fighters can do the same thing with disarms and sunders -- the success or failure of a combat hinges on one successful swing. Is there a problem with that, too? Are you trying to argue that D+D should be "d8+2 back and forth until the bad guys die"? How boring. Nerfing the "save or die" spells means that spellcasters, (especially wizards) are dead meat -- they don't have the ability to stand for rounds 2-15 trading their d4 -1 with the enemy's d8+2. Version 3.0 claimed to be balanced -- and most people thought it was relatively well done. Now, those same people are claiming that 3.5 is well-balanced. That's absurd. They have nerfed spellcasting, and given casters nothing. They can't both be balanced. I will adopt a wait and see attitude -- but I will not purchase them until I read someone elses. If the indications from Dragon hold true, I will not purchase them. I find fighters boring, and it doesn't seem like the casters will be viable characters other than as daily use buff items for the fighters. OfficeRonin [/QUOTE]

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