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[3.5 SRD] Question about Feinting
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<blockquote data-quote="Petrosian" data-source="post: 1025890" data-attributes="member: 1149"><p>When i see fighters with sense motive it is usually not specifically for counter fienting but for the social skill counter uses. </p><p></p><p>I did screw the pooch on the bab...</p><p></p><p>R10 bluff 13 + 3 cha +4 IFFeat = 20</p><p>F10 SM13 (+6) +1 wis +3 SFocusFeat +10 BAB + 20.</p><p></p><p>befoire you go all FIGHTERS NEVER WOULD WASTE A FEAT MY GIOD WHAT AN IDIOT ON ME i will mention that fighter get something like 19 feats over 20 levels and so do have a feat or two to throw on things like the equivalent of 6 extra skill points.</p><p></p><p>The rogue vs fighter is simply one of the rather extreme cases.</p><p>lets look at possibly a more reasonable case.</p><p></p><p>rog1/ftr9 attempts to bluff a fighter-10.</p><p>looking for balance we will again assume both have tried to get what they can from bluff vs sense motive.</p><p></p><p>before we start, we will observe that their fighting prowess is almost identical, a 1 point BAB dif.</p><p></p><p>R1F9 takes +4 bluff (rog level) and +9 bluff (all 18 ranks from being a ftr-9) and we will give him a +2 for charisma and we will give him skill focus bluff and improved feint for a total of +22</p><p>Thats two feats and 22 skill points for a +22</p><p></p><p>My ftr-10 spends 13 skill ranks for +6, gets +2 for wisdom (assumes they have equal stats elsewhere but reverse their cha and wis) +3 for skill focus SM and +10 for BAB giving him a total of about +21</p><p></p><p>+21 vs +22 is about an even roll on an opposed d20.</p><p></p><p>One character multiclassed and used 22 skill ranks and two feats for doing a feint while the other used a single class, 13 skill ranks and one feat. </p><p></p><p>So, roughly one feat and 9 more skill ranks earned the r1/f1 a +1 net on the opposed roll?</p><p></p><p>The BAB adjustment should have been on both sides of the equation, not just on one side. The attackers fighting prowess should matter every bit as much as the defenders.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Petrosian, post: 1025890, member: 1149"] When i see fighters with sense motive it is usually not specifically for counter fienting but for the social skill counter uses. I did screw the pooch on the bab... R10 bluff 13 + 3 cha +4 IFFeat = 20 F10 SM13 (+6) +1 wis +3 SFocusFeat +10 BAB + 20. befoire you go all FIGHTERS NEVER WOULD WASTE A FEAT MY GIOD WHAT AN IDIOT ON ME i will mention that fighter get something like 19 feats over 20 levels and so do have a feat or two to throw on things like the equivalent of 6 extra skill points. The rogue vs fighter is simply one of the rather extreme cases. lets look at possibly a more reasonable case. rog1/ftr9 attempts to bluff a fighter-10. looking for balance we will again assume both have tried to get what they can from bluff vs sense motive. before we start, we will observe that their fighting prowess is almost identical, a 1 point BAB dif. R1F9 takes +4 bluff (rog level) and +9 bluff (all 18 ranks from being a ftr-9) and we will give him a +2 for charisma and we will give him skill focus bluff and improved feint for a total of +22 Thats two feats and 22 skill points for a +22 My ftr-10 spends 13 skill ranks for +6, gets +2 for wisdom (assumes they have equal stats elsewhere but reverse their cha and wis) +3 for skill focus SM and +10 for BAB giving him a total of about +21 +21 vs +22 is about an even roll on an opposed d20. One character multiclassed and used 22 skill ranks and two feats for doing a feint while the other used a single class, 13 skill ranks and one feat. So, roughly one feat and 9 more skill ranks earned the r1/f1 a +1 net on the opposed roll? The BAB adjustment should have been on both sides of the equation, not just on one side. The attackers fighting prowess should matter every bit as much as the defenders. [/QUOTE]
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