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<blockquote data-quote="drnuncheon" data-source="post: 1026116" data-attributes="member: 96">But the fighter doesn't have 'nothing at all invested in this task'. He's got 10 levels of fighter invested in this task.&nbsp; That's why the change happened.&nbsp; Someone who is a professional warrior shouldn't have to spend all of their skill ranks on a cross-class skill to not be fooled by a first-level characerAnd really, it is pretty open and shut if the fighter has 'nothing invested': if you take a rogue with maxxed out Bluff and Improved Feint, he's going to have a +7-10 over the fighter of equal level, depending on relative stats.&nbsp; I know I wouldn't be counting on beating those odds on a regular basis - but there's still a chance - whereas with the old way it was literally impossible by the time you got to the mid-levels.The improvement is in the fact that Lord Grimthews the Potent, 20th level war machine can no longer be easily feinted by Jim, halfling Rog1.J</blockquote>

[QUOTE="drnuncheon, post: 1026116, member: 96"] But the fighter [i]doesn't[/i] have 'nothing at all invested in this task'. He's got 10 levels of fighter invested in this task. That's why the change happened. Someone who is a professional warrior shouldn't have to spend all of their skill ranks on a cross-class skill to not be fooled by a first-level characer And really, it is pretty open and shut if the fighter has 'nothing invested': if you take a rogue with maxxed out Bluff and Improved Feint, he's going to have a +7-10 over the fighter of equal level, depending on relative stats. I know I wouldn't be counting on beating those odds on a regular basis - but there's still a [i]chance[/i] - whereas with the old way it was literally impossible by the time you got to the mid-levels. The improvement is in the fact that Lord Grimthews the Potent, 20th level war machine can no longer be easily feinted by Jim, halfling Rog1. J [/QUOTE]

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