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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Belzbet" data-source="post: 5627732" data-attributes="member: 6678902">Yeah I know this, that is why i said that many fiends have spell-like abilites and not actual spells... And even if you have spel-like abilities you still have a CL (an effective caster level  but a CL none the less; although the specifics are different it is effectively the same hence effective CL )Also I DONT think it is in the rules that: a creature with sorc. spell like abilites gets an increase in effective CL if it takes levels of sorc. (although I make this a house rule, heck maybe its an actual rules it makes sense that way; I let their effective CL increase in terms of their spell-like abilites and I DO NOT stack their actual CL with their effective Cl, so if a creature can cast spell-like abilites like a 9th level sorc. taking a level of sorc WOULD NOT let it cast SPELLS like a 10th level sorc although its effective CL for its SPELL-LIKE abilites would be 10)... But it IS in the rules that: If a creature that can cast (actual) spells like a sorc. takes level of sorc. then that level of sorc will directly stack with their alreadyhad ability to cast spells (not spell-like abilites).And  yeah maybe you are right that fighter is not associated for a succubus but I think cleric definetely is and that paladin can be argued that it is...If you have only 2 PC's then that succubus may be a challenge but heh if it is a potentially ally NPC (or at least not an enemy) then... let them attack it at their own risk<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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