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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Pax" data-source="post: 993814" data-attributes="member: 6875">Re: Re: Re: how about 2 ogresOkay, the Hill Giant has a 10' reach, plus 5' for the Giant's occupied square, plus 5' to get directly behind him.  Tumble, OTOH, lets you move ... 20' without an AoO, somewhere during your move.  So, with the one tumble check, you can get behind the Hill Giant.The Kobold, you don't move as far, granted ... but it's still a single tumble check.Both checks are DC 15 (if you don't go directly through the opponent's square, ofc).  Both actions are, therefor, a single roll of Tumble skill vs DC 15.  Thus, both are identical in terms of difficulty.Irrelevant; Tumble lets you move and not trigger ANY AoOs.And how exactly do you gET this attack?  Either you're giving up yor regular action (potentially a full attack) in order to ready a single attack against MAYBE being tumbled past, or you're hasted -- because there's just no way you're going to be getting an AoO against a dedicated tumbler.</blockquote>