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<blockquote data-quote="Magac" data-source="post: 995554" data-attributes="member: 12690">One thing to remember about the giant and the kobold. level 1 you find a kobold.&nbsp; your tumble will have about 4 to 8 to your skill.&nbsp; (dex and number of ranks) so to tumble through you need either 17 to 20 roll to tumble through kobold.this is where it starts to be a problem.what level do you meet the giant?&nbsp; 10? so you got your ranks in tumble + dex&nbsp; etc you pumped them up so that you can succeed on 10&nbsp; ok goign around is easy going through is still only 50 50 its easier to tumble a giant but then you designed your chr to do this. how about adding sense motive of the thing to tumble past to the roll this wouldnt take away too much from the rogue.&nbsp; maybe the giant will figure out that the rogue intends to get past him and uses that to stop them.&nbsp; doesnt make much of a difference but it means a fighter would have had to develop sense motive to be able to prevent the rogues from using its sneak attack bluff skill and the same sort of training will allow the fighter to prevent being tumbled past.&nbsp; &nbsp; that allows for the trained warrior beinga ble to stop them.&nbsp; If you never trained for it them you sol.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Magac, post: 995554, member: 12690"] One thing to remember about the giant and the kobold. level 1 you find a kobold. your tumble will have about 4 to 8 to your skill. (dex and number of ranks) so to tumble through you need either 17 to 20 roll to tumble through kobold. this is where it starts to be a problem. what level do you meet the giant? 10? so you got your ranks in tumble + dex etc you pumped them up so that you can succeed on 10 ok goign around is easy going through is still only 50 50 its easier to tumble a giant but then you designed your chr to do this. how about adding sense motive of the thing to tumble past to the roll this wouldnt take away too much from the rogue. maybe the giant will figure out that the rogue intends to get past him and uses that to stop them. doesnt make much of a difference but it means a fighter would have had to develop sense motive to be able to prevent the rogues from using its sneak attack bluff skill and the same sort of training will allow the fighter to prevent being tumbled past. that allows for the trained warrior beinga ble to stop them. If you never trained for it them you sol. [/QUOTE]

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