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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Camarath" data-source="post: 1053460" data-attributes="member: 11987">Yes the "extreme or unlikely condition"s are spelled out in the sentence they are listed in the conditional clause after the word if. Also what definition of even are you using? I don't see any definition that fits what you seem to think it means.If I said "you could go to the fair even if I can't come with you" would this mean that under any set of circumstances you will be able to go the the fair? No it does not, it only spells out two circumstances where you can go to the fair the normal defualt situation where I can come with you and the situation where I can not go with you. In both those circumstances you can go to the fair. If the fair burns down does the sentence cover that? No it does not, that is beyond the scope of the sentence, so you may not be able to go to the fair in that case even though the sentence uses "even if". You are wrong about this as well. The function of the conjuntion if is to limit the action of the verb retains. This means that it forces the verb to only apply in the spelled out circumstances. Under the normal rules of english one can not change the meaning of words and the rules of grammer to suit one's own purposes, as you have done here. "If" does not mean "including" it means "in the event that". You will need to find a word in this sentence that serves to make the sentence inclusive. And, as we have seen even does not serve that function and neither does retain because it is modifed by a limiting conjuction. Thus unless you can find a definition for the word if that means "including" or "for example" your assertion is baseless. If you have additional "rules of English" that trump both grammer and the meaning of words please do share them.Here I have replaced if with it's definition. This sentence has the same meaning as the orginal sentence."She retains her Dexterity bonus to AC (if any) even in the event that she is caught flat-footed or struck by an invisible attacker."  Jacks feet are sore by default thus he retains his soreness unless some situation relieves of it. The sentance lists two conditions that would normaly relieve his soreness but do not. This does not preculed other non-specified circumstance form relieving his soreness. Then, in the second sentence an example of a situation where his soreness is relieved is given. This second sentence is seaperate form the first sentence and does not limit the possible situations where his soreness might be relieved. It only specifes one instance where the soreness in his feet is relieved. What if Jack takes a large dose of pain killers does the sentence prevent this from relieving Jack soreness? No it does not, it only prevents Jack's "orthotic supports or his fleece insoles" from relieving his soreness. If Jack's bunny slippers were the only way to relieve his soreness the second sentence would need to state that. The second sentence is not exclusive just as the first sentence is not inclusive.</blockquote>

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