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[3.5] Uncanny Dodge = Immune to Feints?
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<blockquote data-quote="Camarath" data-source="post: 1055435" data-attributes="member: 11987"><p>I think at this point there are to reading of the sentence.</p><p></p><p>1)You retain you Dex bonus when flat-footed or when struck by an invisible attacker unless you are immobilized.</p><p>2)You retain your dex bonus unless immobilized this includes being caught flat-footed or struck by an invisible attacker.</p><p></p><p>Here are the resaons I think it is the first interpitatin is correct.</p><p>1) The statement is comprised of two senetences. IMO this means that the second sentence can change the meaning of the rule but not the first sentence.</p><p>2) I believe that the form used in this sentence is not infinitely permissive. In other word the only expectional situation that the sentence would, can, and does provied for are those specified in the conditional clause of the sentence.</p><p>3) IMO "She retains her Dexterity bonus to AC (if any)" can not be read indepndent of the conjuction that modifies it. So it is improper to say that this part of the sentence gives yoiu the ability to retain your dex in all situations because it is modifed by the conjunction if.</p><p>4) The adverb "even" can be moved or removed from the sentence with out changing the meaning of the sentence. In this case "even" modifies retains so as to make it clear that these are not normal circumstances to be retaining your dex bonus in. Here are three sentences that IMO have the same meaning.</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">She retains her Dexterity bonus to AC (if any) even if she is caught flat-footed or struck by an invisible attacker.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">She even retains her Dexterity bonus to AC (if any) if she is caught flat-footed or struck by an invisible attacker.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">She retains her Dexterity bonus to AC (if any) if she is caught flat-footed or struck by an invisible attacker.</li> </ul><p>5)"Even if" does not mean the same thing as "such as". Such as is a conjunction that lists examples. Even if is a conjunction that lists conditions.</p><p>6) I have yet to see any reson to conclude that any part of this sentence applies to all exceptional circumstances.</p><p>7) It seems very odd to me to phrase the ability in this way if you meant for it to mean basically that you retain you dax bonus unless immobilized. I can not come up with any rational which would cause me to write it the way it is written if the second interpretation is what I meant. I can do so for the first interpretation.</p><p>8) From a game play and game balance stand point the first interpretation seems to me to be better balanced and easier to use.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Camarath, post: 1055435, member: 11987"] I think at this point there are to reading of the sentence. 1)You retain you Dex bonus when flat-footed or when struck by an invisible attacker unless you are immobilized. 2)You retain your dex bonus unless immobilized this includes being caught flat-footed or struck by an invisible attacker. Here are the resaons I think it is the first interpitatin is correct. 1) The statement is comprised of two senetences. IMO this means that the second sentence can change the meaning of the rule but not the first sentence. 2) I believe that the form used in this sentence is not infinitely permissive. In other word the only expectional situation that the sentence would, can, and does provied for are those specified in the conditional clause of the sentence. 3) IMO "She retains her Dexterity bonus to AC (if any)" can not be read indepndent of the conjuction that modifies it. So it is improper to say that this part of the sentence gives yoiu the ability to retain your dex in all situations because it is modifed by the conjunction if. 4) The adverb "even" can be moved or removed from the sentence with out changing the meaning of the sentence. In this case "even" modifies retains so as to make it clear that these are not normal circumstances to be retaining your dex bonus in. Here are three sentences that IMO have the same meaning. [list] [*]She retains her Dexterity bonus to AC (if any) even if she is caught flat-footed or struck by an invisible attacker. [*]She even retains her Dexterity bonus to AC (if any) if she is caught flat-footed or struck by an invisible attacker. [*]She retains her Dexterity bonus to AC (if any) if she is caught flat-footed or struck by an invisible attacker. [/list] 5)"Even if" does not mean the same thing as "such as". Such as is a conjunction that lists examples. Even if is a conjunction that lists conditions. 6) I have yet to see any reson to conclude that any part of this sentence applies to all exceptional circumstances. 7) It seems very odd to me to phrase the ability in this way if you meant for it to mean basically that you retain you dax bonus unless immobilized. I can not come up with any rational which would cause me to write it the way it is written if the second interpretation is what I meant. I can do so for the first interpretation. 8) From a game play and game balance stand point the first interpretation seems to me to be better balanced and easier to use. [/QUOTE]
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