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[3.5] Uncanny Dodge = Immune to Feints?
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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 1064811" data-attributes="member: 1656"><p>Sorry, this is only the second time in a week that I've been able to connect to ENWorld - apparently there was a router down in Washington, or something.</p><p></p><p>Being unable to see an opponent does, indeed, cause you to "treat them as invisible". They get a +2 to attack rolls against you, you lose your Dex bonus uinless you have Blindfight or Uncanny Dodge, you suffer a 50% miss chance on attacks made against them. In 3.5 you would be unable to take any AoOs against them.</p><p></p><p>And in the Main FAQ, they made up a new rule, unsupported by anything in the text, as follows:</p><p></p><p><strong>Suppose an ally of mine is attacking one foe, then I</strong></p><p><strong>somehow become invisible, draw my sword, and move to</strong></p><p><strong>the other side of that foe, thus flanking the foe. Does my ally</strong></p><p><strong>still get a flanking bonus even if I am invisible?</strong></p><p><em>You get a flanking bonus from any ally your foe can see (and</em></p><p><em>who is in the correct position to flank). If your foe can’t see</em></p><p><em>you, you don’t provide a flanking bonus to any ally.</em></p><p><em>Sharp readers will note that this means you cannot flank a</em></p><p><em>blind creature; however, truly blind creatures are effectively</em></p><p><em>flanked already (the can’t use their Dexterity bonus to AC and</em></p><p><em>you a +2 bonus to attack them). Creatures with the blindsight</em></p><p><em>ability effectively “see” within blindsight range and can be</em></p><p><em>flanked.</em></p><p></p><p>If I have my eyes closed, I can't see you, and therefore you and your ally cannot flank me. If I have Uncanny Dodge, I do not lose my Dex bonus against opponents I cannot see. Therefore, I cannot be sneak attacked, even though you and your ally are rogues 4 levels higher than me.</p><p></p><p>Alternatively, as has been pointed out, I can turn my back on one of you using the rules for Gaze Attacks, treating you as invisible. You can gain flanking bonuses (and invisible bonuses!), since I can see your ally, but your ally cannot, since I cannot see you. If your ally is doing +9d6 sneak attack damage on every flanking attack, it's not a bad idea!</p><p></p><p>-Hyp.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 1064811, member: 1656"] Sorry, this is only the second time in a week that I've been able to connect to ENWorld - apparently there was a router down in Washington, or something. Being unable to see an opponent does, indeed, cause you to "treat them as invisible". They get a +2 to attack rolls against you, you lose your Dex bonus uinless you have Blindfight or Uncanny Dodge, you suffer a 50% miss chance on attacks made against them. In 3.5 you would be unable to take any AoOs against them. And in the Main FAQ, they made up a new rule, unsupported by anything in the text, as follows: [b]Suppose an ally of mine is attacking one foe, then I somehow become invisible, draw my sword, and move to the other side of that foe, thus flanking the foe. Does my ally still get a flanking bonus even if I am invisible?[/b] [i]You get a flanking bonus from any ally your foe can see (and who is in the correct position to flank). If your foe can’t see you, you don’t provide a flanking bonus to any ally. Sharp readers will note that this means you cannot flank a blind creature; however, truly blind creatures are effectively flanked already (the can’t use their Dexterity bonus to AC and you a +2 bonus to attack them). Creatures with the blindsight ability effectively “see” within blindsight range and can be flanked.[/i] If I have my eyes closed, I can't see you, and therefore you and your ally cannot flank me. If I have Uncanny Dodge, I do not lose my Dex bonus against opponents I cannot see. Therefore, I cannot be sneak attacked, even though you and your ally are rogues 4 levels higher than me. Alternatively, as has been pointed out, I can turn my back on one of you using the rules for Gaze Attacks, treating you as invisible. You can gain flanking bonuses (and invisible bonuses!), since I can see your ally, but your ally cannot, since I cannot see you. If your ally is doing +9d6 sneak attack damage on every flanking attack, it's not a bad idea! -Hyp. [/QUOTE]
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